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Quantum Immortal: /* Strategy */

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Qazmlpok at 12:09, 7 July 2011

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220.255.1.83: /* Strategy */

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220.255.2.41: /* Strategy */

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Nightpenguin at 20:09, 22 May 2011

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Slandor: /* Strategy */

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Ion frigate at 03:10, 29 June 2010

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Slandor: /* Strategy */

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Ion frigate at 22:44, 19 June 2010

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Slandor: /* Strategy */

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	::If that is true, it could be quite helpful for these. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.83\|220.255.1.83]] 10:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)		::If that is true, it could be quite helpful for these. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.83\|220.255.1.83]] 10:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::Sorry, my mistake. It doesn't set the armor to be +0, it simply doesn't give +1 enchantment. Exact same effect as an uncursed scroll of enchant armor. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)		:::Sorry, my mistake. It doesn't set the armor to be +0, it simply doesn't give +1 enchantment. Exact same effect as an uncursed scroll of enchant armor. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	Ha, an orc brought me the DSM....--[[User:Quantum Immortal\|Quantum Immortal]] ([[User talk:Quantum Immortal\|talk]]) 08:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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	::Enchanting dragon scales will turn the armor into the appropriate dragon scale mail and make it +0 and uncursed.		::Enchanting dragon scales will turn the armor into the appropriate dragon scale mail and make it +0 and uncursed.
	::If that is true, it could be quite helpful for these. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.83\|220.255.1.83]] 10:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)		::If that is true, it could be quite helpful for these. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.83\|220.255.1.83]] 10:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::Sorry, my mistake. It doesn't set the armor to be +0, it simply doesn't give +1 enchantment. Exact same effect as an uncursed scroll of enchant armor. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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	::::Another option might be to bring along a statue of some harmless monster with you, throw it onto the statue trap, then stepping onto the trap would remove the trap and animate only the topmost statue, thereby allowing you to get the scales - though it might not be worth it (-9?). I just tested this in slash'em wizmode, and it works. [[User:Nightpenguin\|Nightpenguin]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)		::::Another option might be to bring along a statue of some harmless monster with you, throw it onto the statue trap, then stepping onto the trap would remove the trap and animate only the topmost statue, thereby allowing you to get the scales - though it might not be worth it (-9?). I just tested this in slash'em wizmode, and it works. [[User:Nightpenguin\|Nightpenguin]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
	::A [[fishing pole]] looks like it could get them without risking the trap activating. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.41\|220.255.2.41]] 05:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)		::A [[fishing pole]] looks like it could get them without risking the trap activating. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.41\|220.255.2.41]] 05:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:: From [[Shopkeeper services]]:
		+	::Armor works
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		+	::Enchanting dragon scales will turn the armor into the appropriate dragon scale mail and make it +0 and uncursed.
		+	::If that is true, it could be quite helpful for these. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.83\|220.255.1.83]] 10:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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	::::Pah, I don't seem to be able to generate a statue trap in vanilla wizmode (only wizmode I have access to) -- wishing for one just gives a boring old statue. So I can't check that myself. Anyway, even at skilled in flail the grappling hook seems like it has a chance of pulling you to the ground (and presumably triggering the statue trap), so that seems like a truly desperate endeavor. To have a reasonable chance of making it work you'd have to be expert in flail, which means a priest (unless one of the new SLASH'EM classes can do it), and who winds up using a flail that much anyway? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 03:46, June 30, 2010 (UTC)		::::Pah, I don't seem to be able to generate a statue trap in vanilla wizmode (only wizmode I have access to) -- wishing for one just gives a boring old statue. So I can't check that myself. Anyway, even at skilled in flail the grappling hook seems like it has a chance of pulling you to the ground (and presumably triggering the statue trap), so that seems like a truly desperate endeavor. To have a reasonable chance of making it work you'd have to be expert in flail, which means a priest (unless one of the new SLASH'EM classes can do it), and who winds up using a flail that much anyway? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 03:46, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
	::::Another option might be to bring along a statue of some harmless monster with you, throw it onto the statue trap, then stepping onto the trap would remove the trap and animate only the topmost statue, thereby allowing you to get the scales - though it might not be worth it (-9?). I just tested this in slash'em wizmode, and it works. [[User:Nightpenguin\|Nightpenguin]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)		::::Another option might be to bring along a statue of some harmless monster with you, throw it onto the statue trap, then stepping onto the trap would remove the trap and animate only the topmost statue, thereby allowing you to get the scales - though it might not be worth it (-9?). I just tested this in slash'em wizmode, and it works. [[User:Nightpenguin\|Nightpenguin]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
		+	::A [[fishing pole]] looks like it could get them without risking the trap activating. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.41\|220.255.2.41]] 05:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

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 :*The nymphs on the left side near Nightmare aren't too horrible, but one should be careful to have see invisible for all the pixies, and beware of the quicklings, who are absurdly fast (natural speed of 30). However, their inability to teleport does make them less dangerous, as does the fact that pixies and quicklings both lack seduction attacks (the "The beautiful water nymph seduces you and you take off your clothes" paralysis attack).
 :*Nightmare herself is actually quite dangerous, at least to low-HP characters like wizards or monks, as she does 3d12 + 3d6 damage and will often - always for unhasted characters - get two moves in for every one of yours.
-:*The room full of @ in the entrance complex can be dangerous, as it might contain some of the greater lycanthropes. Also, if you have a tinning kit or a source of charging, the room full of dead dragons can be a good source of missing resistances, if you can get to it before the corpses decay completely. A good thing to remember, though, is that the rooms in the entrance hall are actually all randomly arranged.
+:*The room full of @ in the entrance complex can be dangerous, as it thmight contain some of the greater lycanthropes. Also, if you have a tinning kit or a source of charging, the room full of dead dragons can be a good source of missing resistances, if you can get to it before the corpses decay completely. A good thing to remember, though, is that the rooms in the entrance hall are actually all randomly arranged.
 :Sorry if that was kind of long, conciseness is not one of my virtues... -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 22:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 ::I suppose you can try getting the dragon scales with a grappling hook, but I don't think I'd try it if I weren't at least skilled in flail. Not to mention that you're standing next to a bunch of eels while you try for it. --[[User:Slandor|Slandor]] 00:41, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 :::Another idea is a wand of teleportation and a potion of object detection. Not sure if that triggers the statue trap though; if it does then that's almost useless. I'll try and test that within the next couple days. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 03:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 ::::Pah, I don't seem to be able to generate a statue trap in vanilla wizmode (only wizmode I have access to) -- wishing for one just gives a boring old statue. So I can't check that myself. Anyway, even at skilled in flail the grappling hook seems like it has a chance of pulling you to the ground (and presumably triggering the statue trap), so that seems like a truly desperate endeavor. To have a reasonable chance of making it work you'd have to be expert in flail, which means a priest (unless one of the new SLASH'EM classes can do it), and who winds up using a flail that much anyway? --[[User:Slandor|Slandor]] 03:46, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

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	:Sorry if that was kind of long, conciseness is not one of my virtues... -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)		:Sorry if that was kind of long, conciseness is not one of my virtues... -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
	::I suppose you can try getting the dragon scales with a grappling hook, but I don't think I'd try it if I weren't at least skilled in flail. Not to mention that you're standing next to a bunch of eels while you try for it. --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 00:41, June 29, 2010 (UTC)		::I suppose you can try getting the dragon scales with a grappling hook, but I don't think I'd try it if I weren't at least skilled in flail. Not to mention that you're standing next to a bunch of eels while you try for it. --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 00:41, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::Another idea is a wand of teleportation and a potion of object detection. Not sure if that triggers the statue trap though; if it does then that's almost useless. I'll try and test that within the next couple days. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

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 Also won't killing the co-aligned unicorn give you a huge luck penalty, even though it's hostile? So another strategy tip might be to throw it a piece of glass to calm it down. [[User:Slandor|Slandor]] 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 :Those are all good pieces of advice in general, and this article does need a strategy section; my two cents to add in:
-:*If going anywhere past the entrance rooms, be very careful of the rot worms on the right side.  These guys are great at quickly ending your game, because you didn't realize they had made you sick.  Fortunately they're very weak, but their attacks are not affected by magic cancellation, so don't think that will protect you.  Because they're so low-level they rarely land an attack, but if they do, it will invariably make you ill.
+:*If going anywhere past the entrance rooms, be very careful of the rot worms on the right side. These guys are great at quickly ending your game, because you didn't realize they had made you sick. Fortunately they're very weak, but their attacks are not affected by magic cancellation, so don't think that will protect you. Because they're so low-level they rarely land an attack, but if they do, it will invariably make you ill.
-:*To make the GDS on the level useful, you need a wand of cancellation, a scroll of enchant armor, and a petrifying corpse/scroll of genocide.  On the rare occasions you have all of those without having magic resistance, you should go for those GDS, but otherwise, if you just need DSM in general, the Wyrm Caves are a better option.  As you say, it is quite easily avoided.  Another thing to keep in mind is that you'll probably have to drop some of your inventory to get there, as it requires a diagonal squeeze to get to that island.
+:*To make the GDS on the level useful, you need a wand of cancellation, a scroll of enchant armor, and a petrifying corpse/scroll of genocide. On the rare occasions you have all of those without having magic resistance, you should go for those GDS, but otherwise, if you just need DSM in general, the Wyrm Caves are a better option. As you say, it is quite easily avoided. Another thing to keep in mind is that you'll probably have to drop some of your inventory to get there, as it requires a diagonal squeeze to get to that island.
-:*The nymphs on the left side near Nightmare aren't too horrible, but one should be careful to have see invisible for all the pixies, and beware of the quicklings, who are absurdly fast (natural speed of 30).  However, their inability to teleport does make them less dangerous, as does the fact that pixies and quicklings both lack seduction attacks (the "The beautiful water nymph seduces you and you take off your clothes" paralysis attack).
+:*The nymphs on the left side near Nightmare aren't too horrible, but one should be careful to have see invisible for all the pixies, and beware of the quicklings, who are absurdly fast (natural speed of 30). However, their inability to teleport does make them less dangerous, as does the fact that pixies and quicklings both lack seduction attacks (the "The beautiful water nymph seduces you and you take off your clothes" paralysis attack).
 :*Nightmare herself is actually quite dangerous, at least to low-HP characters like wizards or monks, as she does 3d12 + 3d6 damage and will often - always for unhasted characters - get two moves in for every one of yours.
-:*The room full of @ in the entrance complex can be dangerous, as it might contain some of the greater lycanthropes.  Also, if you have a tinning kit or a source of charging, the room full of dead dragons can be a good source of missing resistances, if you can get to it before the corpses decay completely.  A good thing to remember, though, is that the rooms in the entrance hall are actually all randomly arranged.
+:*The room full of @ in the entrance complex can be dangerous, as it might contain some of the greater lycanthropes. Also, if you have a tinning kit or a source of charging, the room full of dead dragons can be a good source of missing resistances, if you can get to it before the corpses decay completely. A good thing to remember, though, is that the rooms in the entrance hall are actually all randomly arranged.
 :Sorry if that was kind of long, conciseness is not one of my virtues... -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 22:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

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	Also won't killing the co-aligned unicorn give you a huge luck penalty, even though it's hostile? So another strategy tip might be to throw it a piece of glass to calm it down. [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)		Also won't killing the co-aligned unicorn give you a huge luck penalty, even though it's hostile? So another strategy tip might be to throw it a piece of glass to calm it down. [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:Those are all good pieces of advice in general, and this article does need a strategy section; my two cents to add in:
		+	:*If going anywhere past the entrance rooms, be very careful of the rot worms on the right side. These guys are great at quickly ending your game, because you didn't realize they had made you sick. Fortunately they're very weak, but their attacks are not affected by magic cancellation, so don't think that will protect you. Because they're so low-level they rarely land an attack, but if they do, it will invariably make you ill.
		+	:*To make the GDS on the level useful, you need a wand of cancellation, a scroll of enchant armor, and a petrifying corpse/scroll of genocide. On the rare occasions you have all of those without having magic resistance, you should go for those GDS, but otherwise, if you just need DSM in general, the Wyrm Caves are a better option. As you say, it is quite easily avoided. Another thing to keep in mind is that you'll probably have to drop some of your inventory to get there, as it requires a diagonal squeeze to get to that island.
		+	:*The nymphs on the left side near Nightmare aren't too horrible, but one should be careful to have see invisible for all the pixies, and beware of the quicklings, who are absurdly fast (natural speed of 30). However, their inability to teleport does make them less dangerous, as does the fact that pixies and quicklings both lack seduction attacks (the "The beautiful water nymph seduces you and you take off your clothes" paralysis attack).
		+	:*Nightmare herself is actually quite dangerous, at least to low-HP characters like wizards or monks, as she does 3d12 + 3d6 damage and will often - always for unhasted characters - get two moves in for every one of yours.
		+	:*The room full of @ in the entrance complex can be dangerous, as it might contain some of the greater lycanthropes. Also, if you have a tinning kit or a source of charging, the room full of dead dragons can be a good source of missing resistances, if you can get to it before the corpses decay completely. A good thing to remember, though, is that the rooms in the entrance hall are actually all randomly arranged.
		+	:Sorry if that was kind of long, conciseness is not one of my virtues... -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

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	*I didn't go into the forest, but aren't the nymphs considerably less annoying on a no-teleport level?		*I didn't go into the forest, but aren't the nymphs considerably less annoying on a no-teleport level?
	What do you think? [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 13:08, June 19, 2010 (UTC)		What do you think? [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 13:08, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	Also won't killing the co-aligned unicorn give you a huge luck penalty, even though it's hostile? So another strategy tip might be to throw it a piece of glass to calm it down. [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)