Talk:Lessons learned the hard way - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* And finally contributed to this section. */ new section

2019-04-08T14:37:34Z

‎And finally contributed to this section.: new section

Tjr: history merge done

2011-07-18T16:30:58Z

history merge done

Tjr at 22:23, 10 July 2011

2011-07-10T22:23:24Z

Tjr: /* On editting entries ... */ history merge

2011-07-10T22:04:33Z

‎On editting entries ...: history merge

Ion frigate: /* On editting entries ... */

2011-07-10T21:41:20Z

‎On editting entries ...

Tjr: haunted temples in bones

2011-07-10T20:50:11Z

haunted temples in bones

Blackcustard: Sig.

2011-07-10T14:47:53Z

Sig.

Blackcustard: New draft.

2011-07-10T14:47:30Z

New draft.

Ion frigate: /* On editting entries ... */

2011-07-09T09:35:22Z

‎On editting entries ...

Tjr: vote against crediting refinements

2011-07-08T21:01:44Z

vote against crediting refinements

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	I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, that means Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. Do we want that? (I'm in favor.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, that means Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. Do we want that? (I'm in favor.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
	: Done --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)		: Done --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== And finally contributed to this section. ==
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		+	I can't even be angry anymore. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 14:37, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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	I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, that means Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. Do we want that? (I'm in favor.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, that means Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. Do we want that? (I'm in favor.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	: Done --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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	:::Conflict or polyself with a quantum mechanic will work, but you will almost certainly have to relieve the priest of his cloak/robe first, since it'll always be MC 3. And it appears that priests do not path back to their temples, unlike shopkeepers - this priest seemed perfectly content to just wander about aimlessly. In order to get him back I had to attack him, and let him follow me. Pacifying him did indeed restore the temple. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		:::Conflict or polyself with a quantum mechanic will work, but you will almost certainly have to relieve the priest of his cloak/robe first, since it'll always be MC 3. And it appears that priests do not path back to their temples, unlike shopkeepers - this priest seemed perfectly content to just wander about aimlessly. In order to get him back I had to attack him, and let him follow me. Pacifying him did indeed restore the temple. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

−	I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)	+	I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, that means Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. Do we want that? (I'm in favor.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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	::In fact, I believe the only case you can ever un-haunt a temple is if the priest was originally teleported away and then walks back to his unaltered temple. However, I don't know how to teleport him. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		::In fact, I believe the only case you can ever un-haunt a temple is if the priest was originally teleported away and then walks back to his unaltered temple. However, I don't know how to teleport him. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::Conflict or polyself with a quantum mechanic will work, but you will almost certainly have to relieve the priest of his cloak/robe first, since it'll always be MC 3. And it appears that priests do not path back to their temples, unlike shopkeepers - this priest seemed perfectly content to just wander about aimlessly. In order to get him back I had to attack him, and let him follow me. Pacifying him did indeed restore the temple. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		:::Conflict or polyself with a quantum mechanic will work, but you will almost certainly have to relieve the priest of his cloak/robe first, since it'll always be MC 3. And it appears that priests do not path back to their temples, unlike shopkeepers - this priest seemed perfectly content to just wander about aimlessly. In order to get him back I had to attack him, and let him follow me. Pacifying him did indeed restore the temple. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	I can history merge the draft and all of its edits back into the article. Of course, Blackcustard's talk page heading will show up in intermediate versions of the article. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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	::I put that in there because I think the haunted message is the most reliable warning for newbies. Assume the priest was originally trapped with boulders to convert the altar. The finder might think he can convert the altar back, sleep and pacify the priest, and then buy protection. Instead, this will anger the priest.		::I put that in there because I think the haunted message is the most reliable warning for newbies. Assume the priest was originally trapped with boulders to convert the altar. The finder might think he can convert the altar back, sleep and pacify the priest, and then buy protection. Instead, this will anger the priest.
	::In fact, I believe the only case you can ever un-haunt a temple is if the priest was originally teleported away and then walks back to his unaltered temple. However, I don't know how to teleport him. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		::In fact, I believe the only case you can ever un-haunt a temple is if the priest was originally teleported away and then walks back to his unaltered temple. However, I don't know how to teleport him. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::Conflict or polyself with a quantum mechanic will work, but you will almost certainly have to relieve the priest of his cloak/robe first, since it'll always be MC 3. And it appears that priests do not path back to their temples, unlike shopkeepers - this priest seemed perfectly content to just wander about aimlessly. In order to get him back I had to attack him, and let him follow me. Pacifying him did indeed restore the temple. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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	::Sorry, should have made that clearer. Yes, all the commentary needs to be done by hand, I just stuck the revised version there for easy access while it was being done. New draft, commentary done (I got around to it :) ).		::Sorry, should have made that clearer. Yes, all the commentary needs to be done by hand, I just stuck the revised version there for easy access while it was being done. New draft, commentary done (I got around to it :) ).
	::Need some help with "* If you find [[Minetown]] [[bones]], before you go #chatting up the [[priest]], make SURE both the priest and the [[altar]] are of the same [[alignment]]. Also ensure that the [[temple]] isn't haunted." Can an inhabitated unconverted temple be haunted? Kill -> UT -> tame? Trap -> convert -> convert back -> tame? [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 14:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)		::Need some help with "* If you find [[Minetown]] [[bones]], before you go #chatting up the [[priest]], make SURE both the priest and the [[altar]] are of the same [[alignment]]. Also ensure that the [[temple]] isn't haunted." Can an inhabitated unconverted temple be haunted? Kill -> UT -> tame? Trap -> convert -> convert back -> tame? [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 14:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	::I put that in there because I think the haunted message is the most reliable warning for newbies. Assume the priest was originally trapped with boulders to convert the altar. The finder might think he can convert the altar back, sleep and pacify the priest, and then buy protection. Instead, this will anger the priest.
		+	::In fact, I believe the only case you can ever un-haunt a temple is if the priest was originally teleported away and then walks back to his unaltered temple. However, I don't know how to teleport him. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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 :And I do agree with tjr that there's no need to credit people with their lessons.  It makes things harder to read, and it also gives a weird image of the nethack community, with only a few users and many anonymous contributions. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 09:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 ::Sorry, should have made that clearer. Yes, all the commentary needs to be done by hand, I just stuck the revised version there for easy access while it was being done. New draft, commentary done (I got around to it :) ).
-::Need some help with "* If you find [[Minetown]] [[bones]], before you go #chatting up the [[priest]], make SURE both the priest and the [[altar]] are of the same [[alignment]]. Also ensure that the [[temple]] isn't haunted." Can an inhabitated unconverted temple be haunted? Kill -> UT -> tame? Trap -> convert -> convert back -> tame?
+::Need some help with "* If you find [[Minetown]] [[bones]], before you go #chatting up the [[priest]], make SURE both the priest and the [[altar]] are of the same [[alignment]]. Also ensure that the [[temple]] isn't haunted." Can an inhabitated unconverted temple be haunted? Kill -> UT -> tame? Trap -> convert -> convert back -> tame? [[User:Blackcustard|Blackcustard]] 14:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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	:On the commentary bit: I was looking at one of my own edits (I can be somewhat vain, yes), and I noticed that the commentary looked exactly the same as the original. On closer examination, it was that I had simply made a typo in the original, and it recorded my correcting edit as commentary. Honestly, I think it might not be a bad idea to do all the commentary by hand - subsequent edits were always intended to replace the lesson, not comment on it, so even in cases other than obvious typos it still might come off as strange or disjointed. I'd be perfectly willing to contribute; I don't think every entry needs commentary by any means.		:On the commentary bit: I was looking at one of my own edits (I can be somewhat vain, yes), and I noticed that the commentary looked exactly the same as the original. On closer examination, it was that I had simply made a typo in the original, and it recorded my correcting edit as commentary. Honestly, I think it might not be a bad idea to do all the commentary by hand - subsequent edits were always intended to replace the lesson, not comment on it, so even in cases other than obvious typos it still might come off as strange or disjointed. I'd be perfectly willing to contribute; I don't think every entry needs commentary by any means.
	:And I do agree with tjr that there's no need to credit people with their lessons. It makes things harder to read, and it also gives a weird image of the nethack community, with only a few users and many anonymous contributions. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)		:And I do agree with tjr that there's no need to credit people with their lessons. It makes things harder to read, and it also gives a weird image of the nethack community, with only a few users and many anonymous contributions. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	::Sorry, should have made that clearer. Yes, all the commentary needs to be done by hand, I just stuck the revised version there for easy access while it was being done. New draft, commentary done (I got around to it :) ).
		+	::Need some help with "* If you find [[Minetown]] [[bones]], before you go #chatting up the [[priest]], make SURE both the priest and the [[altar]] are of the same [[alignment]]. Also ensure that the [[temple]] isn't haunted." Can an inhabitated unconverted temple be haunted? Kill -> UT -> tame? Trap -> convert -> convert back -> tame?

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	: Eidolos shouldn't be falsely credited, and I'm not so vain that every one of my changes needs to be mentioned. Let's make this page easy to read: I wouldn't like time stamps. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)		: Eidolos shouldn't be falsely credited, and I'm not so vain that every one of my changes needs to be mentioned. Let's make this page easy to read: I wouldn't like time stamps. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:On the commentary bit: I was looking at one of my own edits (I can be somewhat vain, yes), and I noticed that the commentary looked exactly the same as the original. On closer examination, it was that I had simply made a typo in the original, and it recorded my correcting edit as commentary. Honestly, I think it might not be a bad idea to do all the commentary by hand - subsequent edits were always intended to replace the lesson, not comment on it, so even in cases other than obvious typos it still might come off as strange or disjointed. I'd be perfectly willing to contribute; I don't think every entry needs commentary by any means.
		+	:And I do agree with tjr that there's no need to credit people with their lessons. It makes things harder to read, and it also gives a weird image of the nethack community, with only a few users and many anonymous contributions. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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	[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 18:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)		[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 18:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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		+	: Eidolos shouldn't be falsely credited, and I'm not so vain that every one of my changes needs to be mentioned. Let's make this page easy to read: I wouldn't like time stamps. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)