Talk:Libera - Revision history

Actual-nh: /* Freenet, etc */ Updated; bit more info

2021-05-26T20:42:40Z

‎Freenet, etc: Updated; bit more info

Phol ende wodan: /* Freenet, etc */ reply

2021-05-26T20:31:11Z

‎Freenet, etc: reply

Actual-nh: /* Freenet, etc */ new section

2021-05-26T20:19:10Z

‎Freenet, etc: new section

Cathartes: Cathartes moved page Talk:Freenode to Talk:Libera: since most activity has moved to Libera, and Freenode admin took over some channels

2021-05-26T04:12:21Z

Cathartes moved page Talk:Freenode to Talk:Libera: since most activity has moved to Libera, and Freenode admin took over some channels

Tjr: annoyed at #nethack.de rot13 policy

2011-01-31T14:40:46Z

annoyed at #nethack.de rot13 policy

Tjr: wording

2011-01-31T14:34:46Z

wording

Tjr: counted lines in my chat logs: only 14% about Nethack.

2011-01-31T14:29:16Z

counted lines in my chat logs: only 14% about Nethack.

Tjr: counted lines in my chat logs: only 14% about Nethack.

2011-01-31T14:28:43Z

counted lines in my chat logs: only 14% about Nethack.

Ais523: /* nethack.de */ I was curious, so I checked the logs

2011-01-31T13:43:28Z

‎nethack.de: I was curious, so I checked the logs

Tjr: /* nethack.de */

2011-01-31T13:25:11Z

‎nethack.de

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	: Last night, freenode bots entered most of the NetHack channels listed here (the going theory is that it targeted anything with "libera" in the channel topic), de-opped the operators, unregistered the channel, posted a message saying "this is in violation of freenode policies", changed the topic to same, and switched the channel into a redirect to its double-## "informal" version. I lost #xnethack this way; #NetHack was the biggest casualty of it but most of the NetHack related channels got hit such as #hardfought and #tnnt. So yes, according to a new freenode channel policy revealed after the purge, discussion of moving to Libera ("advertising other sites") gets you hit with this. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 20:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)		: Last night, freenode bots entered most of the NetHack channels listed here (the going theory is that it targeted anything with "libera" in the channel topic), de-opped the operators, unregistered the channel, posted a message saying "this is in violation of freenode policies", changed the topic to same, and switched the channel into a redirect to its double-## "informal" version. I lost #xnethack this way; #NetHack was the biggest casualty of it but most of the NetHack related channels got hit such as #hardfought and #tnnt. So yes, according to a new freenode channel policy revealed after the purge, discussion of moving to Libera ("advertising other sites") gets you hit with this. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 20:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:: Sigh... changed page to match. ([https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history] says that the company in question is in trouble for failing to file accounts, BTW, which I'm not surprised at.) -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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	Another source of information: [https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad] (credit goes to [https://kline.sh/ https://kline.sh/] for the link). What's the story on "forcibly taking over the #NetHack channel"? Blocking discussion of moving, or what? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)		Another source of information: [https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad] (credit goes to [https://kline.sh/ https://kline.sh/] for the link). What's the story on "forcibly taking over the #NetHack channel"? Blocking discussion of moving, or what? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	: Last night, freenode bots entered most of the NetHack channels listed here (the going theory is that it targeted anything with "libera" in the channel topic), de-opped the operators, unregistered the channel, posted a message saying "this is in violation of freenode policies", changed the topic to same, and switched the channel into a redirect to its double-## "informal" version. I lost #xnethack this way; #NetHack was the biggest casualty of it but most of the NetHack related channels got hit such as #hardfought and #tnnt. So yes, according to a new freenode channel policy revealed after the purge, discussion of moving to Libera ("advertising other sites") gets you hit with this. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 20:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::Picking days at random, I count 14% NetHack discussion. My log file for January 20th contains 16 lines (excluding bots), 14 of them about Crawl, 0 about NetHack. January 22th: 22 lines, 0 Crawl, 0 Nethack. January 25th: 33 lines, 0 Crawl, 10 Nethack, 1 of which about something in-game. (The last day shouldn't really count because I was toying with Unrodney.)		::Picking days at random, I count 14% NetHack discussion. My log file for January 20th contains 16 lines (excluding bots), 14 of them about Crawl, 0 about NetHack. January 22th: 22 lines, 0 Crawl, 0 Nethack. January 25th: 33 lines, 0 Crawl, 10 Nethack, 1 of which about something in-game. (The last day shouldn't really count because I was toying with Unrodney.)
	::Finally, "rot13 isn't enforced" is a bad argument: Newcomers aren't encouraged to test out the limits of the rules. I'm not even sure if it really isn't enforced - there was always somebody quick to point out rot13 whenever I mentioned something that could lead to spoiler-ish discussion. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 14:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)		::Finally, "rot13 isn't enforced" is a bad argument: Newcomers aren't encouraged to test out the limits of the rules. I'm not even sure if it really isn't enforced - there was always somebody quick to point out rot13 whenever I mentioned something that could lead to spoiler-ish discussion. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 14:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Freenet, etc ==
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		+	Another source of information: [https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad] (credit goes to [https://kline.sh/ https://kline.sh/] for the link). What's the story on "forcibly taking over the #NetHack channel"? Blocking discussion of moving, or what? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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 :It is officially about NetHack, but it tends to go offtopic quite a lot. (Several Freenode channels are like that.) It also gets notifications about changes to nethack-de (the unofficial German language port of NetHack), and is the "official channel" in a sense for the public server nethack.eu (with deaths, etc., reported, and where comments are left for the server admin.) So I suppose it's up to you as to whether it's relevant or not; it's one of those IRC communities defined by a common interest. [[User:Ais523|Ais523]] 13:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 ::Those bot announcements are the only NetHack content I've encountered. In fact, talking about NetHack can get you kick-banned because you're supposed to rot13-encrypt anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler. Needless to say, I've never seen anybody rot13 anything except test postings. (There isn't even a rot13 plugin for any popular OS X IRC client.)
-::Fellow players, please voice your opinions. I am annoyed at #nethack.de, so I don't want to decide things. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+::Fellow players, please voice your opinions. I am annoyed at #nethack.de rot13 policy, so I don't want to decide things. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 :::Hmm, I'm actually interested now, so I decided to check my logs of #nethack.de (which update only when I'm online, and so are rather incomplete; the first result here was on 27 October 2009)
   $ grep rot13 *logs/freenode_#nethack.de.log | grep -v ChanServ | wc -l

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 ::They do discuss servers and development, but not gameplay. Case in point, the January 27 mention (which wasn't even in German).
 ::Picking days at random, I count 14% NetHack discussion. My log file for January 20th contains 16 lines (excluding bots), 14 of them about Crawl, 0 about NetHack. January 22th: 22 lines, 0 Crawl, 0 Nethack. January 25th: 33 lines, 0 Crawl, 10 Nethack, 1 of which about something in-game. (The last day shouldn't really count because I was toying with Unrodney.)
-::Finally, "rot13 isn't enforced" does not count: Newcomers aren't encouraged to test out the limits of the rules. I'm not even sure if it really isn't enforced - there was always somebody quick to point out rot13 whenever I mentioned something that could lead to spoiler-ish discussion. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+::Finally, "rot13 isn't enforced" is a bad argument: Newcomers aren't encouraged to test out the limits of the rules. I'm not even sure if it really isn't enforced - there was always somebody quick to point out rot13 whenever I mentioned something that could lead to spoiler-ish discussion. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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	:::Looking at the content, surprisingly not all seem to be NetHack-related, but definitely more than half are, probably around 90%. Also, "anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler" isn't really policed; I'm one of the strictest about that, but most people are willing to have minor spoilers in plaintext. (For what it's worth, 45 of those lines were since Abirzore 2010, when you claim you started watching; two of them were by you, complaining about your client's lack of support for rot13.)		:::Looking at the content, surprisingly not all seem to be NetHack-related, but definitely more than half are, probably around 90%. Also, "anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler" isn't really policed; I'm one of the strictest about that, but most people are willing to have minor spoilers in plaintext. (For what it's worth, 45 of those lines were since Abirzore 2010, when you claim you started watching; two of them were by you, complaining about your client's lack of support for rot13.)
	:::The channel also seems to discuss NetHack less than it used to, although there have certainly been discussions on the subject (the most recent about nethack.eu was on January 27 and you were involved; about NetHack itself, earlier on the same day, commenting about a death of Gandelf's). I'm not sure if it's really active enough with NetHack-related talk to be included on the list, but that certainly is the channel's topic. (It definitely isn't a spoiler-heavy tactics-heavy channel like #nethack is; more of a sort of place where NetHack players socialise.) [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] 13:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)		:::The channel also seems to discuss NetHack less than it used to, although there have certainly been discussions on the subject (the most recent about nethack.eu was on January 27 and you were involved; about NetHack itself, earlier on the same day, commenting about a death of Gandelf's). I'm not sure if it's really active enough with NetHack-related talk to be included on the list, but that certainly is the channel's topic. (It definitely isn't a spoiler-heavy tactics-heavy channel like #nethack is; more of a sort of place where NetHack players socialise.) [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] 13:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	::They do discuss servers and development, but not gameplay. Case in point, the January 27 mention (which wasn't even in German).
		+	::Picking days at random, my log file for January 20th contains 16 lines (excluding bots), 14 of them about Crawl, 0 about NetHack. January 22th: 22 lines, 0 Crawl, 0 Nethack. January 25th: 33 lines, 0 Crawl, 10 Nethack, 1 of which about something in-game. (The last day shouldn't really count because I was toying with Unrodney.)
		+	::Finally, "rot13 isn't enforced" does not count: Newcomers aren't encouraged to test out the limits of the rules. I'm not even sure if it really isn't enforced - there was always somebody quick to point out rot13 whenever I mentioned something that could lead to spoiler-ish discussion. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 14:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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	::Those bot announcements are the only NetHack content I've encountered. In fact, talking about NetHack can get you kick-banned because you're supposed to rot13-encrypt anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler. Needless to say, I've never seen anybody rot13 anything except test postings. (There isn't even a rot13 plugin for any popular OS X IRC client.)		::Those bot announcements are the only NetHack content I've encountered. In fact, talking about NetHack can get you kick-banned because you're supposed to rot13-encrypt anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler. Needless to say, I've never seen anybody rot13 anything except test postings. (There isn't even a rot13 plugin for any popular OS X IRC client.)
	::Fellow players, please voice your opinions. I am annoyed at #nethack.de, so I don't want to decide things. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)		::Fellow players, please voice your opinions. I am annoyed at #nethack.de, so I don't want to decide things. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::Hmm, I'm actually interested now, so I decided to check my logs of #nethack.de (which update only when I'm online, and so are rather incomplete; the first result here was on 27 October 2009)
		+	$ grep rot13 *logs/freenode_#nethack.de.log \| grep -v ChanServ \| wc -l
		+	245
		+	:::Looking at the content, surprisingly not all seem to be NetHack-related, but definitely more than half are, probably around 90%. Also, "anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler" isn't really policed; I'm one of the strictest about that, but most people are willing to have minor spoilers in plaintext. (For what it's worth, 45 of those lines were since Abirzore 2010, when you claim you started watching; two of them were by you, complaining about your client's lack of support for rot13.)
		+	:::The channel also seems to discuss NetHack less than it used to, although there have certainly been discussions on the subject (the most recent about nethack.eu was on January 27 and you were involved; about NetHack itself, earlier on the same day, commenting about a death of Gandelf's). I'm not sure if it's really active enough with NetHack-related talk to be included on the list, but that certainly is the channel's topic. (It definitely isn't a spoiler-heavy tactics-heavy channel like #nethack is; more of a sort of place where NetHack players socialise.) [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] 13:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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	I've been idling in nethack.de since November 2010, and I've seen a lot of chat, but next to nothing about NetHack. Should this channel really be listed here? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)		I've been idling in nethack.de since November 2010, and I've seen a lot of chat, but next to nothing about NetHack. Should this channel really be listed here? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
	:It is officially about NetHack, but it tends to go offtopic quite a lot. (Several Freenode channels are like that.) It also gets notifications about changes to nethack-de (the unofficial German language port of NetHack), and is the "official channel" in a sense for the public server nethack.eu (with deaths, etc., reported, and where comments are left for the server admin.) So I suppose it's up to you as to whether it's relevant or not; it's one of those IRC communities defined by a common interest. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] 13:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)		:It is officially about NetHack, but it tends to go offtopic quite a lot. (Several Freenode channels are like that.) It also gets notifications about changes to nethack-de (the unofficial German language port of NetHack), and is the "official channel" in a sense for the public server nethack.eu (with deaths, etc., reported, and where comments are left for the server admin.) So I suppose it's up to you as to whether it's relevant or not; it's one of those IRC communities defined by a common interest. [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] 13:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	::Those bot announcements are the only NetHack content I've encountered. In fact, talking about NetHack can get you kick-banned because you're supposed to rot13-encrypt anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler. Needless to say, I've never seen anybody rot13 anything except test postings. (There isn't even a rot13 plugin for any popular OS X IRC client.)
		+	::Fellow players, please voice your opinions. I am annoyed at #nethack.de, so I don't want to decide things. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)