Talk:Magic resistance - Revision history

Tjr: /* archons and sceptre */

2011-03-13T09:56:12Z

‎archons and sceptre

Tjr at 09:55, 13 March 2011

2011-03-13T09:55:11Z

Qazmlpok: /* archons and sceptre */

2011-03-12T20:42:35Z

‎archons and sceptre

Tjr: /* archons and sceptre */ new section

2011-03-12T18:24:52Z

‎archons and sceptre: new section

68.227.223.254 at 21:21, 29 December 2007

2007-12-29T21:21:50Z

68.110.235.31: New page: This would be a good place for a discussion of the difference between "percentile" magic resistance (which applies only to monsters and protects against charm monster, polymorph wands, can...

2007-08-17T21:04:50Z

New page: This would be a good place for a discussion of the difference between "percentile" magic resistance (which applies only to monsters and protects against charm monster, polymorph wands, can...

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This would be a good place for a discussion of the difference between "percentile" magic resistance (which applies only to monsters and protects against charm monster, polymorph wands, cancellation etc. and usually isn't 100%) and "absolute" magic resistance (which is an extrinsic that protects from magic missile, wands of death, polymorph '''traps''', etc. and is all or nothing). --[[User:68.110.235.31|68.110.235.31]] 21:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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 Somebody claims "pets do not wield quest artifacts, so Archons cannot be made magic resistant" with the sceptre of might. I see nothing in the code that special-cases quest artifacts. (Except metallivores eating your own quest artifact.) --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 18:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 :I was not able to get an Archon to wield the sceptre in wizard mode; he would pick it up however. Just picking it up seems wrong, as touch_artifact looks like Quest artifacts can only be picked up by covetous monsters and player monsters. Interestly, a tame Caveman would not wield the sceptre but a tame knight would, despite both being lawful. The caveman would wield Magicbane, however. Player monsters seem to be able to ignore the alignment check altogether, which is at least consistent with touch_artifact. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 20:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
-::[[Source:Ref/Touch_artifact|Touch_artifact]] only applies to wielding/wearing, not to monsters picking up stuff. But you're right - only covetous or player monsters can pick up quest artifacts.--[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 09:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
+::[[Source:Ref/touch_artifact|Touch_artifact]] only applies to wielding/wearing, not to monsters picking up stuff. But you're right - only covetous or player monsters can pick up quest artifacts.--[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 09:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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	Somebody claims "pets do not wield quest artifacts, so Archons cannot be made magic resistant" with the sceptre of might. I see nothing in the code that special-cases quest artifacts. (Except metallivores eating your own quest artifact.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)		Somebody claims "pets do not wield quest artifacts, so Archons cannot be made magic resistant" with the sceptre of might. I see nothing in the code that special-cases quest artifacts. (Except metallivores eating your own quest artifact.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
	:I was not able to get an Archon to wield the sceptre in wizard mode; he would pick it up however. Just picking it up seems wrong, as touch_artifact looks like Quest artifacts can only be picked up by covetous monsters and player monsters. Interestly, a tame Caveman would not wield the sceptre but a tame knight would, despite both being lawful. The caveman would wield Magicbane, however. Player monsters seem to be able to ignore the alignment check altogether, which is at least consistent with touch_artifact. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 20:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)		:I was not able to get an Archon to wield the sceptre in wizard mode; he would pick it up however. Just picking it up seems wrong, as touch_artifact looks like Quest artifacts can only be picked up by covetous monsters and player monsters. Interestly, a tame Caveman would not wield the sceptre but a tame knight would, despite both being lawful. The caveman would wield Magicbane, however. Player monsters seem to be able to ignore the alignment check altogether, which is at least consistent with touch_artifact. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 20:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
		+	::[[Source:Ref/Touch_artifact\|Touch_artifact]] only applies to wielding/wearing, not to monsters picking up stuff. But you're right - only covetous or player monsters can pick up quest artifacts.--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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	Somebody claims "pets do not wield quest artifacts, so Archons cannot be made magic resistant" with the sceptre of might. I see nothing in the code that special-cases quest artifacts. (Except metallivores eating your own quest artifact.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)		Somebody claims "pets do not wield quest artifacts, so Archons cannot be made magic resistant" with the sceptre of might. I see nothing in the code that special-cases quest artifacts. (Except metallivores eating your own quest artifact.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
		+	:I was not able to get an Archon to wield the sceptre in wizard mode; he would pick it up however. Just picking it up seems wrong, as touch_artifact looks like Quest artifacts can only be picked up by covetous monsters and player monsters. Interestly, a tame Caveman would not wield the sceptre but a tame knight would, despite both being lawful. The caveman would wield Magicbane, however. Player monsters seem to be able to ignore the alignment check altogether, which is at least consistent with touch_artifact. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 20:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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	I would disagree with the description as the "number one extrinsic to get". Reflection is equally important, and probably more important than magic resistance early in the game.		I would disagree with the description as the "number one extrinsic to get". Reflection is equally important, and probably more important than magic resistance early in the game.
	--[[User:68.227.223.254\|68.227.223.254]] 21:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)		--[[User:68.227.223.254\|68.227.223.254]] 21:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
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		+	Somebody claims "pets do not wield quest artifacts, so Archons cannot be made magic resistant" with the sceptre of might. I see nothing in the code that special-cases quest artifacts. (Except metallivores eating your own quest artifact.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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	This would be a good place for a discussion of the difference between "percentile" magic resistance (which applies only to monsters and protects against charm monster, polymorph wands, cancellation etc. and usually isn't 100%) and "absolute" magic resistance (which is an extrinsic that protects from magic missile, wands of death, polymorph '''traps''', etc. and is all or nothing). --[[User:68.110.235.31\|68.110.235.31]] 21:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)		This would be a good place for a discussion of the difference between "percentile" magic resistance (which applies only to monsters and protects against charm monster, polymorph wands, cancellation etc. and usually isn't 100%) and "absolute" magic resistance (which is an extrinsic that protects from magic missile, wands of death, polymorph '''traps''', etc. and is all or nothing). --[[User:68.110.235.31\|68.110.235.31]] 21:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
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		+	I would disagree with the description as the "number one extrinsic to get". Reflection is equally important, and probably more important than magic resistance early in the game.
		+	--[[User:68.227.223.254\|68.227.223.254]] 21:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)