Talk:Magical item - Revision history

Tjr: restored my words after edit conflict

2011-08-24T16:03:04Z

restored my words after edit conflict

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	:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.		:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.
	:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.		:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.
	:If you're ~~burning~~ for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:If you're hurting for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness, which you can alchemize to confusion. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

	:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Ion frigate at 18:30, 23 August 2011

2011-08-23T18:30:36Z

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	:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.		:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.
	:If you're burning for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:If you're burning for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be.		::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

	:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Ion frigate at 18:30, 23 August 2011

2011-08-23T18:30:22Z

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	:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.		:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.
	:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.		:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.
	:If you're ~~hurting~~ for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness~~, which you can alchemize to confusion~~. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:If you're burning for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
			::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be.

			:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Tjr at 15:46, 23 August 2011

2011-08-23T15:46:35Z

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	:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.		:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.
	:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.		:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.
	:If you're ~~burning~~ for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:If you're hurting for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness, which you can alchemize to confusion. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Tjr: why holy water is not magical.

2011-08-23T15:44:17Z

why holy water is not magical.

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	Can someone verify this, or rather, has anyone already tried this before I finish my current game and delve into [[wizard mode]] to find out? Thanks! --chilemonkey		Can someone verify this, or rather, has anyone already tried this before I finish my current game and delve into [[wizard mode]] to find out? Thanks! --chilemonkey

			:No, those items are not magic. Polymorph only checks the immutable properties of the object type ({{sourcecode\|zap.c\|1222}}), regardless of BUC status etc. They are defined in [[objclass.h]] and set via compiler macros in [[objects.c]]. Notably the BITS macro in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|41}} actually writes to the oc_magic field.
			:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.
			:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.
			:If you're burning for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

59.121.244.179: Question regarding the possibility that BUC status affects "magical" status for polyfodder

2011-08-23T14:53:45Z

Question regarding the possibility that BUC status affects "magical" status for polyfodder

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I've just edited the "Other Items" section to note that [[holy water]] '''is''' "magical" when it comes to polyfodder. A blessed [[scroll of blank paper]] or [[plain spellbook]] is as well, in fact I make it a point to prepare for polypiling sessions at the bottom of [[Vlad's Tower]] (my favourite place to polypile, second only to the altar in [[Orcus-town]]) by blanking and blessing potions and scrolls. I've never experimented with unholy/cursed potions or blank readables, but it might stand to reason that any enchantment--positive or negative--would make something "magical" in the polyfodder sense.

Can someone verify this, or rather, has anyone already tried this before I finish my current game and delve into [[wizard mode]] to find out? Thanks! --chilemonkey

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	:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.		:A potion of water is defined in {{sourcecode\|objects.c\|751}}. The big zero in the third column tells you it is not magic.
	:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.		:Blanking and blessing potions and scrolls has a different reason: That's the easiest way to mass-bless them, and the blessed status both gets preserved by polymorphs and reduces loss of polyfodder.
	:If you're ~~burning~~ for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:If you're hurting for a way to make potions magical, you might want to dip a huge stack of water into something else, and very likely get sickness, which you can alchemize to confusion. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		::Sickness is also non-magical. Although a random alchemical result wouldn't be. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

	:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:Those items might seem magical through a bit of confirmation bias: they actually have a comparatively high probability of transforming into something magical, since in the case of scrolls, potions, and spellbooks there are very few non-magical ones. The game rerolls the polymorph twice, I believe, if it gets magical items from non-magical ones, but always keeps the third result. According to the page on [[polypiling]], a spellbook of blank paper has a 95% of becoming magical, and water a 41% chance of becoming magical. Note, though, that some seemingly magical potions, such as sickness, acid, and oil, aren't. Blessing them is a good idea (reduces loss); blanking/diluting them is not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 18:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)