Talk:Magicbane - Revision history

Qazmlpok at 19:07, 4 February 2016

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	--[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen\|talk]]) 02:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</dd>		--[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen\|talk]]) 02:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</dd>

			==Silly farming trick==
			The die roll for determining magic effects is the same as determining to-hit. Cancellation occurs on the lowest (best) to-hit rolls possible, and has the permanent bonus of providing +1 max energy when used against a spellcasting monster. Thus it is possible to rig your to-hit such that only rolls of 1, 2, and 3 will land at all, letting you cancel with almost every hit and farm a trapped spellcasting monster for max energy while doing minimal damage.

			This is of course silly and horribly inefficient. But the more practical effect is that if you're low level and can't reliably hit monsters, magicbane will do more damage than expected, as the times you do hit will get bonus damage more often. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 19:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Ilmari Karonen: /* Randomization of messages when hallucinating? */ "The prod is insightful."

2014-12-04T02:17:58Z

Randomization of messages when hallucinating?: "The prod is insightful."

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	:Looks like you're right: the messages are changed, but not randomized. I've edited the article to correct that. --[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen\|talk]]) 01:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)		:Looks like you're right: the messages are changed, but not randomized. I've edited the article to correct that. --[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen\|talk]]) 01:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

			<dd>Ps. An amusing detail I noticed while testing this is that, if you insightfully probe something with Magicbane while hallucinating, it will say that "The <i>prod</i> is insightful." :-)
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			The magic-absorbing blade prods the baby yellow dragon! The prod is insightful.
			Status of the ettin zombie (neutral): Level 4 HP 2(13) AC 8.
			The giant spider is not carrying anything. You kill the killer bee!
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			--[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen\|talk]]) 02:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</dd>

Ilmari Karonen: /* Randomization of messages when hallucinating? */ looks like you're right

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Randomization of messages when hallucinating?: looks like you're right

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	The article asserts that messages are randomized when hallucinating. It doesn't seem to be so. [[Special:Contributions/217.27.130.45\|217.27.130.45]] 15:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)`		The article asserts that messages are randomized when hallucinating. It doesn't seem to be so. [[Special:Contributions/217.27.130.45\|217.27.130.45]] 15:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)`

			:Looks like you're right: the messages are changed, but not randomized. I've edited the article to correct that. --[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] ([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen\|talk]]) 01:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

217.27.130.45: /* Randomization of messages when hallucinating? */ new section

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Randomization of messages when hallucinating?: new section

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	:Magic resistance is handled in {{function\|Mondata.c\|resists_magm}} and also checks only for Magicbane as the primary weapon.		:Magic resistance is handled in {{function\|Mondata.c\|resists_magm}} and also checks only for Magicbane as the primary weapon.
	:Curse resistance is special-cased in {{function\|sit.c\|rndcurse}} and also only checks for the primary weapon. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)		:Curse resistance is special-cased in {{function\|sit.c\|rndcurse}} and also only checks for the primary weapon. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

			== Randomization of messages when hallucinating? ==

			The article asserts that messages are randomized when hallucinating. It doesn't seem to be so. [[Special:Contributions/217.27.130.45\|217.27.130.45]] 15:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)`

Tjr: yes, artifacts in the off-hand don't convey when-wielded extrinsics.

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yes, artifacts in the off-hand don't convey when-wielded extrinsics.

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	Is this true of all artifact weapons that confer a resistance such as Excalibur?[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 21:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)		Is this true of all artifact weapons that confer a resistance such as Excalibur?[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 21:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

			:Yes.
			:Most artifact resistances/extrinsics are handled by {{function\|artifact.c\|set_artifact_intrinsic}}, which is not called for quivered or secondary weapons [[Source:Worn.c#line68]],[[Source:Worn.c#line88]].
			:Magic resistance is handled in {{function\|Mondata.c\|resists_magm}} and also checks only for Magicbane as the primary weapon.
			:Curse resistance is special-cased in {{function\|sit.c\|rndcurse}} and also only checks for the primary weapon. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Ndwolfwood: /* Conveying Resistances */

2011-01-07T21:02:13Z

Conveying Resistances

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	I noticed that if magicbane is wielded as a secondary weapon it does not convey curse resistance. Is this also true of magic resistance.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 20:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)		I noticed that if magicbane is wielded as a secondary weapon it does not convey curse resistance. Is this also true of magic resistance.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 20:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

			Is this true of all artifact weapons that confer a resistance such as Excalibur?[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 21:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Ndwolfwood at 20:57, 7 January 2011

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	:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
	:::Cheers :) I'm not a source reader, so I'll just go along with you guys :) [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		:::Cheers :) I'm not a source reader, so I'll just go along with you guys :) [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
			==Conveying Resistances==
			I noticed that if magicbane is wielded as a secondary weapon it does not convey curse resistance. Is this also true of magic resistance.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 20:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Fredil Yupigo: /* Chance of arch-liches having Magicbane */

2008-10-15T21:41:36Z

Chance of arch-liches having Magicbane

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	::Yeah, 1/260 would be the chance of an arch-lich's (assumed) athame being MB, as opposed to the chance of an arbitrary arch-lich having an athame ''and'' that athame being MB (which is a more useful statistic). -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 15:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		::Yeah, 1/260 would be the chance of an arch-lich's (assumed) athame being MB, as opposed to the chance of an arbitrary arch-lich having an athame ''and'' that athame being MB (which is a more useful statistic). -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 15:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
	:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
			:::Cheers :) I'm not a source reader, so I'll just go along with you guys :) [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Killian: /* Chance of arch-liches having Magicbane */ ah, so that's where the 1/260 comes from

2008-10-15T15:02:10Z

Chance of arch-liches having Magicbane: ah, so that's where the 1/260 comes from

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	This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
	:shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		: shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
			::Yeah, 1/260 would be the chance of an arch-lich's (assumed) athame being MB, as opposed to the chance of an arbitrary arch-lich having an athame ''and'' that athame being MB (which is a more useful statistic). -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 15:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
	:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Marcmagus: /* Chance of arch-liches having Magicbane */

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Chance of arch-liches having Magicbane

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	This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
	:shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		:shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
			:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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	::Yeah, 1/260 would be the chance of an arch-lich's (assumed) athame being MB, as opposed to the chance of an arbitrary arch-lich having an athame ''and'' that athame being MB (which is a more useful statistic). -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 15:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		::Yeah, 1/260 would be the chance of an arch-lich's (assumed) athame being MB, as opposed to the chance of an arbitrary arch-lich having an athame ''and'' that athame being MB (which is a more useful statistic). -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 15:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
	:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
			:::Cheers :) I'm not a source reader, so I'll just go along with you guys :) [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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	This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
	:shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		: shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
			::Yeah, 1/260 would be the chance of an arch-lich's (assumed) athame being MB, as opposed to the chance of an arbitrary arch-lich having an athame ''and'' that athame being MB (which is a more useful statistic). -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 15:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
	:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)		:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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	This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		This gives a total probability of 0.000854701 (i.e. 0.0854701%), which is pretty far from the value given on this page. Thoughts? -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 13:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
	:shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)		:shrug I read on another page that the probability of an arch-lich being generated with MB was 1/260, which comes out to the 0.3%. Maybe they ignored the first two probabilities? [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
			:I read the source the same as [[User:Killian\|Killian]]. Have edited the main page accordingly. [[User:Marcmagus\|Marcmagus]] 05:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)