Talk:Mold (SLASH'EM) - Revision history

Qazmlpok: /* Passive attacks in infobox */

2011-11-22T03:37:00Z

‎Passive attacks in infobox

Erica: thank you!

2011-11-22T02:57:19Z

thank you!

Ion frigate: /* Passive attacks in infobox */

2011-11-21T09:30:51Z

‎Passive attacks in infobox

Ion frigate: /* Passive attacks in infobox */

2011-11-21T09:29:35Z

‎Passive attacks in infobox

Erica: what does the 1d8/0d4 do?

2011-11-21T06:58:43Z

what does the 1d8/0d4 do?

Qazmlpok: /* Acidic Corpses */

2011-04-04T19:22:04Z

‎Acidic Corpses

AileTheAlien: /* Acidic Corpses */ new section

2011-04-04T18:48:05Z

‎Acidic Corpses: new section

Ion frigate: /* Acid attack */

2011-01-25T08:18:40Z

‎Acid attack

Qazmlpok at 03:45, 25 January 2011

2011-01-25T03:45:10Z

Ion frigate: /* Acid attack */

2011-01-25T03:32:22Z

‎Acid attack

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	:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. The 4d6 itself does nothing, but serves as a difficulty marker - yet another example of a bug becoming a feature, it would seem. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)		:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. The 4d6 itself does nothing, but serves as a difficulty marker - yet another example of a bug becoming a feature, it would seem. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
	::Thank you! I removed the 1d8/0d4 from the infobox, since they were misleading and other monsters that have such "useless" damage values do not have them in their infoboxes. The 4d6 spellcasting attacks seem very arbitrary; why is an arch-lich's spellcasting attack 0d0 but a golden naga's 4d6? --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 02:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)		::Thank you! I removed the 1d8/0d4 from the infobox, since they were misleading and other monsters that have such "useless" damage values do not have them in their infoboxes. The 4d6 spellcasting attacks seem very arbitrary; why is an arch-lich's spellcasting attack 0d0 but a golden naga's 4d6? --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 02:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::It is indeed arbitrary. Every attack that could deals 24 or more damage (4d6 is exactly 24 maximum damage) has an addition <level> added to their experience. For whatever reason the devteam decided that a golden naga gets this experience bonus, as does an archon, and whoever else. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 03:36, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 06:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)		--[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 06:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
	:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. The 4d6 itself does nothing, but serves as a difficulty marker - yet another example of a bug becoming a feature, it would seem. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)		:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. The 4d6 itself does nothing, but serves as a difficulty marker - yet another example of a bug becoming a feature, it would seem. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
		+	::Thank you! I removed the 1d8/0d4 from the infobox, since they were misleading and other monsters that have such "useless" damage values do not have them in their infoboxes. The 4d6 spellcasting attacks seem very arbitrary; why is an arch-lich's spellcasting attack 0d0 but a golden naga's 4d6? --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 02:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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−	:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)	+	:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. The 4d6 itself does nothing, but serves as a difficulty marker - yet another example of a bug becoming a feature, it would seem. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 06:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)		--[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 06:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Probably nothing, yeah. Every monster attack has numbers attached to it like that (including, for example, spellcasting attacks). 0dx in general means (monster level + 1)dx, but if the effect is hard-coded like that, it would make no difference. These numbers aren't entirely pointless still, though - they affect monster difficulty and I believe experience - if an attack can do 24 or more "damage", even for non-direct-damage attacks like spellcasting, it adds to difficulty. An Archon, for instance, has a 4d6 spellcasting attack. This drives their difficulty even higher, which I believe is intentional, as Archons are probably the nastiest casters in the game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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	Do corpses sometimes turn non-acidic over time? Brown puddings are acidic, but I'm pretty sure I can farm them for molds if I'm patient enough. Maybe it's just random molds spawning? (Seems unlikely since I'm at a high-ish level, and I'm getting much tougher random spawns) --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 18:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)		Do corpses sometimes turn non-acidic over time? Brown puddings are acidic, but I'm pretty sure I can farm them for molds if I'm patient enough. Maybe it's just random molds spawning? (Seems unlikely since I'm at a high-ish level, and I'm getting much tougher random spawns) --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 18:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
	:Corpses do not lose their acidity. I'm guessing there's just something wrong in the code that prevents acidic corpses from molding, although I have no idea what the issue would be. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 19:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)		:Corpses do not lose their acidity. I'm guessing there's just something wrong in the code that prevents acidic corpses from molding, although I have no idea what the issue would be. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 19:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Passive attacks in infobox ==
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		+	Is there an actual difference between a "Passive 1d8 poison" attack and a "Passive 0d4 poison" attack? As far as I can tell, they are identical (2/3 chance of spores being released, in which case there is a 1/30 chance of instadeath, a 1/6 chance of losing 3-5 points of strength, and a 4/5 chance of losing 6-15 HP). The 1d8/0d4 doesn't seem to be used anywhere. Am I missing something?
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		+	--[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 06:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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	Do corpses sometimes turn non-acidic over time? Brown puddings are acidic, but I'm pretty sure I can farm them for molds if I'm patient enough. Maybe it's just random molds spawning? (Seems unlikely since I'm at a high-ish level, and I'm getting much tougher random spawns) --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 18:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)		Do corpses sometimes turn non-acidic over time? Brown puddings are acidic, but I'm pretty sure I can farm them for molds if I'm patient enough. Maybe it's just random molds spawning? (Seems unlikely since I'm at a high-ish level, and I'm getting much tougher random spawns) --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 18:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Corpses do not lose their acidity. I'm guessing there's just something wrong in the code that prevents acidic corpses from molding, although I have no idea what the issue would be. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 19:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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	:::One more thing. I think the passive attack is completely unimplemented in monster-monster combat, meaning your starting cat/dog could kill the mold as well; it doesn't need to be poison resistant. I'd like confirmation before the article gets changed though. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 03:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		:::One more thing. I think the passive attack is completely unimplemented in monster-monster combat, meaning your starting cat/dog could kill the mold as well; it doesn't need to be poison resistant. I'd like confirmation before the article gets changed though. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 03:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
	::::Just wiztested that, and indeed it isn't. And neither does the acid attack become relevant; the mold just doesn't do anything. However, these two molds are high enough level that early pets may be hesitant to attack them. I had actually always assumed that they didn't attack because of the passive attack, but I guess that's assuming too much of SLASH'EM's AI (SLASH'EM does implement some improvements in AI; intelligent monsters sometimes won't willingly stone themselves). I almost never use pets, so I hadn't really paid much attention. I'll change that right now. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		::::Just wiztested that, and indeed it isn't. And neither does the acid attack become relevant; the mold just doesn't do anything. However, these two molds are high enough level that early pets may be hesitant to attack them. I had actually always assumed that they didn't attack because of the passive attack, but I guess that's assuming too much of SLASH'EM's AI (SLASH'EM does implement some improvements in AI; intelligent monsters sometimes won't willingly stone themselves). I almost never use pets, so I hadn't really paid much attention. I'll change that right now. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Acidic Corpses ==
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		+	Do corpses sometimes turn non-acidic over time? Brown puddings are acidic, but I'm pretty sure I can farm them for molds if I'm patient enough. Maybe it's just random molds spawning? (Seems unlikely since I'm at a high-ish level, and I'm getting much tougher random spawns) --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 18:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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	::That makes sense; I'll go ahead and note it in the article. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		::That makes sense; I'll go ahead and note it in the article. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
	:::One more thing. I think the passive attack is completely unimplemented in monster-monster combat, meaning your starting cat/dog could kill the mold as well; it doesn't need to be poison resistant. I'd like confirmation before the article gets changed though. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 03:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		:::One more thing. I think the passive attack is completely unimplemented in monster-monster combat, meaning your starting cat/dog could kill the mold as well; it doesn't need to be poison resistant. I'd like confirmation before the article gets changed though. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 03:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	::::Just wiztested that, and indeed it isn't. And neither does the acid attack become relevant; the mold just doesn't do anything. However, these two molds are high enough level that early pets may be hesitant to attack them. I had actually always assumed that they didn't attack because of the passive attack, but I guess that's assuming too much of SLASH'EM's AI (SLASH'EM does implement some improvements in AI; intelligent monsters sometimes won't willingly stone themselves). I almost never use pets, so I hadn't really paid much attention. I'll change that right now. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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	:I have never seen it either, but the source is not out of date: the template was generated using a local copy of the source code on my machine, not the files on the wiki. Specifically, '''slashem-0.0.7E7F3''', while the wiki source shows F2. I think the issue is rather simple: {{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|3034\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} has a loop over all of the attacks that stops once it hits a AT_NONE - a passive attack. Which means that a second passive attack, e.g. the mold's acid, will never be triggered. I don't think any vanilla monsters have two passive attacks, either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		:I have never seen it either, but the source is not out of date: the template was generated using a local copy of the source code on my machine, not the files on the wiki. Specifically, '''slashem-0.0.7E7F3''', while the wiki source shows F2. I think the issue is rather simple: {{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|3034\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} has a loop over all of the attacks that stops once it hits a AT_NONE - a passive attack. Which means that a second passive attack, e.g. the mold's acid, will never be triggered. I don't think any vanilla monsters have two passive attacks, either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
	::That makes sense; I'll go ahead and note it in the article. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		::That makes sense; I'll go ahead and note it in the article. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::One more thing. I think the passive attack is completely unimplemented in monster-monster combat, meaning your starting cat/dog could kill the mold as well; it doesn't need to be poison resistant. I'd like confirmation before the article gets changed though. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 03:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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	I have never been splashed with acid by these monsters. I would guess that their acid attack was removed between the latest version of SLASH'EM and the one for which we have the source code, but perhaps something about their passive spore (poison) attack interferes with the acid attack? I could definitely see that being a possible bug. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 00:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		I have never been splashed with acid by these monsters. I would guess that their acid attack was removed between the latest version of SLASH'EM and the one for which we have the source code, but perhaps something about their passive spore (poison) attack interferes with the acid attack? I could definitely see that being a possible bug. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 00:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
	:I have never seen it either, but the source is not out of date: the template was generated using a local copy of the source code on my machine, not the files on the wiki. Specifically, '''slashem-0.0.7E7F3''', while the wiki source shows F2. I think the issue is rather simple: {{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|3034\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} has a loop over all of the attacks that stops once it hits a AT_NONE - a passive attack. Which means that a second passive attack, e.g. the mold's acid, will never be triggered. I don't think any vanilla monsters have two passive attacks, either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)		:I have never seen it either, but the source is not out of date: the template was generated using a local copy of the source code on my machine, not the files on the wiki. Specifically, '''slashem-0.0.7E7F3''', while the wiki source shows F2. I think the issue is rather simple: {{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|3034\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} has a loop over all of the attacks that stops once it hits a AT_NONE - a passive attack. Which means that a second passive attack, e.g. the mold's acid, will never be triggered. I don't think any vanilla monsters have two passive attacks, either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	::That makes sense; I'll go ahead and note it in the article. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)