Talk:Monk - Revision history

ZedZardoze: /* Monk encyclopedia entry */ new section

2020-08-26T06:26:04Z

‎Monk encyclopedia entry: new section

Ipsy: /* Slash'em Weapon Skill */ new section

2017-09-15T00:35:46Z

‎Slash'em Weapon Skill: new section

Cidwardo: /* Wishing/Reflection */

2017-08-28T14:33:09Z

‎Wishing/Reflection

Cidwardo: /* Wishing/Reflection */ new section

2017-08-28T14:27:46Z

‎Wishing/Reflection: new section

Bcode: re vampire poly; {{unsigned}}

2013-02-21T23:18:06Z

re vampire poly; {{unsigned}}

Bcode: /* Alignment */ how does that relate to being chaotic?

2013-02-21T23:09:41Z

‎Alignment: how does that relate to being chaotic?

LNExtraordinaire at 18:11, 21 February 2013

2013-02-21T18:11:51Z

Erica at 22:12, 14 April 2012

2012-04-14T22:12:50Z

Derekt75: /* Alignment */ new section

2012-04-14T02:55:34Z

‎Alignment: new section

Tjr: /* Throw */

2010-02-06T16:42:36Z

‎Throw

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	——[[User:Ipsy\|Ipsy]] ([[User talk:Ipsy\|talk]]) 00:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)		——[[User:Ipsy\|Ipsy]] ([[User talk:Ipsy\|talk]]) 00:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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		+	== Monk encyclopedia entry ==
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		+	Does anyone know the source for the supposedly Chinese I-Hsiu (I'm guessing pinyin: Yixiu for 一休). Sounds an awful like 一休宗純, but he was a Japanese monk, and in that language the name is pronounced Ikkyu. I'm pretty sure the story being referenced isn't a koan, and rather a matter of folklore or storytelling. Please tell me if koan and stories are equivalent. Although Zen has a presence in China, I don't consider it as famous as the Japanese variants.
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		+	If the source of this text is indeed Japanese folklore, why this pseudo-Sinitic non-koan via Japan? Feels kind of like a rec center Wednesday afternoon dojo taught by Mike sensei.
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		+	I guess that might be the desired effect. --[[User:ZedZardoze\|ZedZardoze]] ([[User talk:ZedZardoze\|talk]]) 06:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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	I agree that it would be nice to have more input on this page from someone who plays a Monk regularly. Someone else mentioned alignment and that would be nice to know about!		I agree that it would be nice to have more input on this page from someone who plays a Monk regularly. Someone else mentioned alignment and that would be nice to know about!
	--[[User:Cidwardo\|Cidwardo]] ([[User talk:Cidwardo\|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)		--[[User:Cidwardo\|Cidwardo]] ([[User talk:Cidwardo\|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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		+	== Slash'em Weapon Skill ==
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		+	It may be worth noting that in Slash'em, Monks reach Basic skill in Bows rather than Crossbows. The distinction can be a big deal in the early game where Monks are very limited in ranged attacks.
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		+	——[[User:Ipsy\|Ipsy]] ([[User talk:Ipsy\|talk]]) 00:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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 That leaves polymorphing into a silver dragon to wear the Eye and get reflection and cast spells.  I just completed my first Wizard ascencion and had played a Valkyrie a bit and thought I'd try a monk.  I found an early shield of reflection and am liking the stealth and melee abilities, and better HP than Wizards.  Also looking forward to polymorphing myself since I may not have to worry about armor.  Just found a single spear, but ranged fighting with a crossbow has been somewhat disappointing.  I think spells would be the ideal ranged weapon, but casting Magic Missile without reflection (and reflection for your pet/mount) is asking for trouble.
 I agree that it would be nice to have more input on this page from someone who plays a Monk regularly.  Someone else mentioned alignment and that would be nice to know about!
 --[[User:Cidwardo|Cidwardo]] ([[User talk:Cidwardo|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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	:I don't see how that relates to being chaotic: you can also do this as neutral or lawful monk, except perhaps for the bit about killing the watchmen.		:I don't see how that relates to being chaotic: you can also do this as neutral or lawful monk, except perhaps for the bit about killing the watchmen.
	:(Also, please sign your posts with four tildes to include a timestamp.) —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 23:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)		:(Also, please sign your posts with four tildes to include a timestamp.) —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 23:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
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		+	== Wishing/Reflection ==
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		+	The article suggests wishing for [[The Eye of the Aethiopica]] (I chose a neutral monk specifically for this), but there's a trade-off here between spellcasting and reflection, since an armorless monk's only options for [[reflection]] are
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		+	* [[Amulet of reflection]] - can't be worn with the Eye because both are amulets.
		+	* [[Shield of reflection]] - blocks most spell casting, even with a robe.
		+	* [[Silver dragon scales]] or [[silver dragon scale mail]] - Monks can't use body armor (well).
		+	* Wielding [[The Longbow of Diana]], the [[Ranger]] [[quest]] artifact - Monks can't use bows.
		+	* Wielding [[Dragonbane]] ''(only in vanilla 3.6.1+)'' - Monks can't use broadswords.
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		+	That leaves polymorphing into a silver dragon to wear the Eye and get reflection and cast spells. I just completed my first Wizard ascencion and had played a Valkyrie a bit and thought I'd try a monk. I found an early shield of reflection and am liking the stealth and melee abilities, and better HP than Wizards. Also looking forward to polymorphing myself since I may not have to worry about armor. Just found a single spear, but ranged fighting with a crossbow has been somewhat disappointing. I think spells would be the ideal ranged weapon, but casting Magic Missile without reflection (and reflection for your pet/mount) is asking for trouble.
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		+	I agree that it would be nice to have more input on this page from someone who plays a Monk regularly. Someone else mentioned alignment and that would be nice to know about!
		+	--[[User:Cidwardo\|Cidwardo]] ([[User talk:Cidwardo\|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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 Speaking of strategy, is it worth mentioning that turning into any kind of vampire as a monk is probably a Bad Idea? Learned this playing a doppelganger monk in Slash 'Em--#youpolyed into a fire vampire, and discovered that every time I landed the bite/drain lifeblood attack, I felt guilty. Also, as a vampire, you can't eat vegetarian food. (Not to mention that this is a bigger problem for non-doppelganger monks who can't turn back at will.) [[User: LNExtraordinaire|LNExtraordinaire]]
 == Intrinsics ==
-There seems to be a conflict between the list of intrinsics gained at various levels, and the different intrinsics mentioned a couple of paras further down, which arne't in the list.
+There seems to be a conflict between the list of intrinsics gained at various levels, and the different intrinsics mentioned a couple of paras further down, which arne't in the list.{{unsigned|79.71.15.222}}
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	Personally, I really like playing chaotic monks, especially if the spell I get is "sleep." The combination of spellcasting and fighting abilities makes it fairly easy to kill most monsters, especially if you can incapacitate them first--you can level pretty quickly. I've managed to kill all the minetown guards as a level 4 that way, which can make some decent money (and you can sacrifice them to counteract the alignment penalty). It also doesn't matter so much that the gifts all suck. [[User: LNExtraordinaire\|LNExtraordinaire]]		Personally, I really like playing chaotic monks, especially if the spell I get is "sleep." The combination of spellcasting and fighting abilities makes it fairly easy to kill most monsters, especially if you can incapacitate them first--you can level pretty quickly. I've managed to kill all the minetown guards as a level 4 that way, which can make some decent money (and you can sacrifice them to counteract the alignment penalty). It also doesn't matter so much that the gifts all suck. [[User: LNExtraordinaire\|LNExtraordinaire]]
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		+	:I don't see how that relates to being chaotic: you can also do this as neutral or lawful monk, except perhaps for the bit about killing the watchmen.
		+	:(Also, please sign your posts with four tildes to include a timestamp.) —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 23:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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 I was going to add a couple thoughts on strategy, but decided that I don't have that clear enough in my head at this time.  I did add the Magic section to lay the groundwork for the eventual Strategy section.
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 :I think it's useful to have an alignment section in the Monk article, because monks are affected by alignment in a unique way. Since they can't hit while wearing dragon scale mail in the early game, they are often advised to gain magic resistance by wishing for a quest artifact. But I do agree with you; I don't see much of an advantage in playing a chaotic monk, especially for a new player. I think many would agree that neutral is the "best" alignment for a monk, because of the possibility of wishing for the Eye of the Aethiopica. But I'm no expert at playing monks. --[[User:Erica|Erica]] 22:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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	Neutrals have great gifts to <i>wish</i> for. Their <i>sacrifice</i> gifts are a mix of good and bad.		Neutrals have great gifts to <i>wish</i> for. Their <i>sacrifice</i> gifts are a mix of good and bad.
	and Easier conduct rules doesn't make the game easier for new players. Theft and murder are generally not easy for a new player to pull off, and same-race sacrifice is not nearly as important as good artifacts (neutral) or good weapons and more peaceful mines (lawful). [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 02:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)		and Easier conduct rules doesn't make the game easier for new players. Theft and murder are generally not easy for a new player to pull off, and same-race sacrifice is not nearly as important as good artifacts (neutral) or good weapons and more peaceful mines (lawful). [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 02:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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		+	:I think it's useful to have an alignment section in the Monk article, because monks are affected by alignment in a unique way. Since they can't hit while wearing dragon scale mail in the early game, they are often advised to gain magic resistance by wishing for a quest artifact. But I do agree with you; I don't see much of an advantage in playing a chaotic monk, especially for a new player. I think many would agree that neutral is the "best" alignment for a monk, because of the possibility of wishing for the Eye of the Aethiopica. But I'm no expert at playing monks. --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 22:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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	: throwing (and better yet firing) knives, daggers, darts etc does not break weaponless conduct. But it still uses (and excercises) the weapons' skills. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:42, February 6, 2010 (UTC)		: throwing (and better yet firing) knives, daggers, darts etc does not break weaponless conduct. But it still uses (and excercises) the weapons' skills. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:42, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Alignment ==
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		+	Do we need an alignment section under monk?
		+	I'm not sure monks are particularly unique regarding how they're affected by alignment.
		+	If we do want one, I disagree that lawfuls have no advantage. They have all the advantages listed on the [[alignment]] page. Excalibur is better than Grand Master, especially if you can enchant it.
		+	Neutrals have great gifts to <i>wish</i> for. Their <i>sacrifice</i> gifts are a mix of good and bad.
		+	and Easier conduct rules doesn't make the game easier for new players. Theft and murder are generally not easy for a new player to pull off, and same-race sacrifice is not nearly as important as good artifacts (neutral) or good weapons and more peaceful mines (lawful). [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 02:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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 ==Throw==
 Does throwing a knife count as using a weapon?<br />
+[[User:Nightelf 37|Nightelf 37]] 12:47, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
-[[User:Nightelf 37|Nightelf 37]] 12:47, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
+: throwing (and better yet firing) knives, daggers, darts etc does not break weaponless conduct. But it still uses (and excercises) the weapons' skills. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 16:42, February 6, 2010 (UTC)