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Umbire the Phantom: /* Game prefers to spawn monsters outside LOS */ reply

2024-02-27T18:17:19Z

‎Game prefers to spawn monsters outside LOS: reply

Furey: Game prefers to spawn monsters outside LOS

2024-02-27T17:18:43Z

Game prefers to spawn monsters outside LOS

Tomsod: lawful demons

2018-08-19T20:19:09Z

lawful demons

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== Lawful demons not randomly generated? ==

Something I just realised: if [[major demon]]s can only generate in Gehennom, but lawful creatures are forbidden there, does that mean that [[horned devil]]s, [[barbed devil]]s and [[erinys]], being lawful demons, never randomly generate? They can appear in [[graveyard]]s and some devil lairs, which may account for the few kills I have in my dumplogs, but it looks like even high score ascensions, which aim to kill 120 of everything, also only have at most a dozen kills of them. However, I dimly recall meeting an erinys in an ordinary level, and thus am doubtful. If those 3 monsters really don't generate, though, their pages should probably mention that. [[User:Tomsod|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod|talk]]) 20:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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		+	:Noted in the todo. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 18:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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	Something I just realised: if [[major demon]]s can only generate in Gehennom, but lawful creatures are forbidden there, does that mean that [[horned devil]]s, [[barbed devil]]s and [[erinys]], being lawful demons, never randomly generate? They can appear in [[graveyard]]s and some devil lairs, which may account for the few kills I have in my dumplogs, but it looks like even high score ascensions, which aim to kill 120 of everything, also only have at most a dozen kills of them. However, I dimly recall meeting an erinys in an ordinary level, and thus am doubtful. If those 3 monsters really don't generate, though, their pages should probably mention that. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 20:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)		Something I just realised: if [[major demon]]s can only generate in Gehennom, but lawful creatures are forbidden there, does that mean that [[horned devil]]s, [[barbed devil]]s and [[erinys]], being lawful demons, never randomly generate? They can appear in [[graveyard]]s and some devil lairs, which may account for the few kills I have in my dumplogs, but it looks like even high score ascensions, which aim to kill 120 of everything, also only have at most a dozen kills of them. However, I dimly recall meeting an erinys in an ordinary level, and thus am doubtful. If those 3 monsters really don't generate, though, their pages should probably mention that. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 20:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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		+	== Game prefers to spawn monsters outside LOS ==
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		+	From a discussion on #nethack on libera chat. Nethack version 3.6.7 on NAO. crunchbubba cleared a level in gehennom with a pick-axe and pushed all the boulders to the side. Random monster creation dropped to one monster per several thousand turns. ais523 said "monsters try spawn outside LOS [line of sight]". crunchbubba moved some boulders, and monsters started spawning normally behind the boulders.
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		+	This page should mention the LOS condition, after someone checks the source code.
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		+	[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 17:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)