Talk:Monster spell - Revision history

Qazmlpok: /* 3. 6. 0 */

2016-02-26T17:15:41Z

‎3. 6. 0

Rancalred: Adding 3.6.0 details for future reference. More to come.

2016-02-26T13:21:09Z

Adding 3.6.0 details for future reference. More to come.

Dustylou 2: I approve of the new table.

2012-01-02T01:30:32Z

I approve of the new table.

Erica at 22:40, 1 January 2012

2012-01-01T22:40:26Z

Derekt75: I think either choice is misleading

2011-12-31T00:39:58Z

I think either choice is misleading

Erica at 05:08, 25 August 2011

2011-08-25T05:08:53Z

Ndwolfwood: /* Monster tables */

2011-04-02T22:35:57Z

‎Monster tables

Darth l33t: Created page with '== Monster tables == The monster tables as they stand are dangerously misleading. They specify the spells the monster will know at its lowest level, when they should really spe…'

2009-10-22T18:42:39Z

Created page with '== Monster tables == The monster tables as they stand are dangerously misleading. They specify the spells the monster will know at its lowest level, when they should really spe…'

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== Monster tables ==

The monster tables as they stand are dangerously misleading. They specify the spells the monster will know at its lowest level, when they should really specify the spells a monster knows at its ''highest'' level, floor(baselevel * 1.5), since monsters can be generated anywhere up to that level. For instance, you might get the impression from reading the chart that a Titan can never cast Touch of Death, when in fact a sufficiently-level titan CAN. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 18:42, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

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	Tame monsters cast spells now. ——[[User:Rancalred\|Rancalred]] ([[User talk:Rancalred\|talk]]) 13:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)		Tame monsters cast spells now. ——[[User:Rancalred\|Rancalred]] ([[User talk:Rancalred\|talk]]) 13:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
		+	:Can you elaborate on that? All I see them doing is casting healing on themselves, which they've always been able to do. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 17:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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	:I for one approve of the new table; it saves time for the player figuring out the worst-case scenario of "What spells can this guy use on me?" --[[User:Dustylou 2\|Dustylou 2]] 01:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)		:I for one approve of the new table; it saves time for the player figuring out the worst-case scenario of "What spells can this guy use on me?" --[[User:Dustylou 2\|Dustylou 2]] 01:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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		+	Tame monsters cast spells now. ——[[User:Rancalred\|Rancalred]] ([[User talk:Rancalred\|talk]]) 13:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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	:I added a column for monsters at lowest level in the table of Mage spells. Let me know if you think this is helpful (or not). --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 22:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)		:I added a column for monsters at lowest level in the table of Mage spells. Let me know if you think this is helpful (or not). --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 22:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
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		+	:I for one approve of the new table; it saves time for the player figuring out the worst-case scenario of "What spells can this guy use on me?" --[[User:Dustylou 2\|Dustylou 2]] 01:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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	While I agree that the previous table was misleading, I rather feel like the current table is just as misleading. The first time a player encounters a Lich at the castle, they shouldn't be worried about it summoning nasties. Should we have two columns, one for base level and one for maximum level? In related news, the article for [[Lich]] says that at experience levels Lichs are normally encountered, Lichs don't cast aggravate and Demilichs don't cast summon nasties. Since I "normally encounter" them in the castle before I get a wand that allows me to genocide them, I think that comment is misleading. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 00:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)		While I agree that the previous table was misleading, I rather feel like the current table is just as misleading. The first time a player encounters a Lich at the castle, they shouldn't be worried about it summoning nasties. Should we have two columns, one for base level and one for maximum level? In related news, the article for [[Lich]] says that at experience levels Lichs are normally encountered, Lichs don't cast aggravate and Demilichs don't cast summon nasties. Since I "normally encounter" them in the castle before I get a wand that allows me to genocide them, I think that comment is misleading. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 00:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:I added a column for monsters at lowest level in the table of Mage spells. Let me know if you think this is helpful (or not). --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 22:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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	:I updated the table to clarify that monsters who have a high enough level can cast the higher-level spells, because I agree that the original was misleading. The results are interesting. I knew that master liches can cast touch of death if they are generated at a high enough level, but I didn't know that demiliches can cast it too... (but I checked in wizard mode, and they definitely can!) --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 05:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)		:I updated the table to clarify that monsters who have a high enough level can cast the higher-level spells, because I agree that the original was misleading. The results are interesting. I knew that master liches can cast touch of death if they are generated at a high enough level, but I didn't know that demiliches can cast it too... (but I checked in wizard mode, and they definitely can!) --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 05:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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		+	While I agree that the previous table was misleading, I rather feel like the current table is just as misleading. The first time a player encounters a Lich at the castle, they shouldn't be worried about it summoning nasties. Should we have two columns, one for base level and one for maximum level? In related news, the article for [[Lich]] says that at experience levels Lichs are normally encountered, Lichs don't cast aggravate and Demilichs don't cast summon nasties. Since I "normally encounter" them in the castle before I get a wand that allows me to genocide them, I think that comment is misleading. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 00:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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	I agree I got killed by a player monster necromancer using a touch of death recently. I didn't see that coming[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)		I agree I got killed by a player monster necromancer using a touch of death recently. I didn't see that coming[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:I updated the table to clarify that monsters who have a high enough level can cast the higher-level spells, because I agree that the original was misleading. The results are interesting. I knew that master liches can cast touch of death if they are generated at a high enough level, but I didn't know that demiliches can cast it too... (but I checked in wizard mode, and they definitely can!) --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] 05:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

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	The monster tables as they stand are dangerously misleading. They specify the spells the monster will know at its lowest level, when they should really specify the spells a monster knows at its ''highest'' level, floor(baselevel * 1.5), since monsters can be generated anywhere up to that level. For instance, you might get the impression from reading the chart that a Titan can never cast Touch of Death, when in fact a sufficiently-level titan CAN. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 18:42, October 22, 2009 (UTC)		The monster tables as they stand are dangerously misleading. They specify the spells the monster will know at its lowest level, when they should really specify the spells a monster knows at its ''highest'' level, floor(baselevel * 1.5), since monsters can be generated anywhere up to that level. For instance, you might get the impression from reading the chart that a Titan can never cast Touch of Death, when in fact a sufficiently-level titan CAN. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 18:42, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I agree I got killed by a player monster necromancer using a touch of death recently. I didn't see that coming[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)