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		<title>Umbire the Phantom: /* Re: Deletion */ new section</title>
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		<updated>2025-04-22T08:31:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Re: Deletion: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 08:31, 22 April 2025&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::[[Bugs in NetHack 3.4.3|C342-54]], NextVersion: Statues of unique monsters in bones files are not handled correctly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::[[Bugs in NetHack 3.4.3|C342-54]], NextVersion: Statues of unique monsters in bones files are not handled correctly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::That is, they will result in the real monster. (Interestingly, [[genocide]] messages for blessed genocide of {{monclasssym|@}} make sure not to mention quest monsters that are not in your game.) —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&amp;amp;nbsp;|&amp;amp;nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::That is, they will result in the real monster. (Interestingly, [[genocide]] messages for blessed genocide of {{monclasssym|@}} make sure not to mention quest monsters that are not in your game.) —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&amp;amp;nbsp;|&amp;amp;nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Re: Deletion ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I'm not entirely opposed to deleting the article, but I feel like this could specifically be folded into the main [[monster]] article (which is incredibly outdated) in some way, in order to note both the general strategic hazard(?) it can pose as well as which of the vanilla monsters have their glyphs changed in variants (which is a very commonplace change), among other things. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 08:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Bcode: Bcode moved page User talk:Bcode/Monsters with non-unique appearance to Talk:Monsters with non-unique appearance: Moving into main space as the page is &quot;finished&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2013-01-23T10:36:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bcode moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/User_talk:Bcode/Monsters_with_non-unique_appearance&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;User talk:Bcode/Monsters with non-unique appearance&quot;&gt;User talk:Bcode/Monsters with non-unique appearance&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Talk:Monsters_with_non-unique_appearance&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Monsters with non-unique appearance&quot;&gt;Talk:Monsters with non-unique appearance&lt;/a&gt;: Moving into main space as the page is &amp;quot;finished&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 10:36, 23 January 2013&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>Bcode: They will result in the real thing, but it's a bug.</title>
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		<updated>2012-12-20T15:28:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;They will result in the real thing, but it&amp;#039;s a bug.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can't appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don't appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/downstairs?). --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak|talk]]) 10:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can't appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don't appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/downstairs?). --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak|talk]]) 10:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*What about stone to flesh on statue from bone file? Will it result in doppelganger? [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 15:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*What about stone to flesh on statue from bone file? Will it result in doppelganger? [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 15:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:::[[Bugs in NetHack 3.4.3|C342-54]], NextVersion: Statues of unique monsters in bones files are not handled correctly.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::That is, they will result in the real monster. (Interestingly, [[genocide]] messages for blessed genocide of {{monclasssym|@}} make sure not to mention quest monsters that are not in your game.) —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&amp;amp;nbsp;|&amp;amp;nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Bulwersator: *What about stone to flesh on statue from bone file? Will it result in doppelganger? ~~~~</title>
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		<updated>2012-12-20T15:21:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;*What about stone to flesh on statue from bone file? Will it result in doppelganger? ~~~~&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can't appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don't appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/downstairs?). --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak|talk]]) 10:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can't appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don't appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/downstairs?). --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak|talk]]) 10:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*What about stone to flesh on statue from bone file? Will it result in doppelganger? [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 15:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Bhaak: Created page with &quot;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can't appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don't appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/do...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2012-12-20T10:55:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can&amp;#039;t appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don&amp;#039;t appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/do...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the different quest leader and nemesis can't appear in the same game. The quest leader and the nemesis also don't appear on the same level (unless you lead one up/downstairs?). --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak|talk]]) 10:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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