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Furey: http://nethack.org -> https://nethack.org.

2024-07-01T17:00:01Z

http://nethack.org -> https://nethack.org.

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	==Dead?==		==Dead?==
	Are there any clues developement is still in progress? Dead people or projects don't usually announce their demise, so we could be waiting forever. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)		Are there any clues developement is still in progress? Dead people or projects don't usually announce their demise, so we could be waiting forever. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The [~~http~~://nethack.org/v343/bugs.html bug list] is updated about once a month, so there's at least some work being done. {{unsigned\|98.169.69.185\|6 March 2009}}		:The [https://nethack.org/v343/bugs.html bug list] is updated about once a month, so there's at least some work being done. {{unsigned\|98.169.69.185\|6 March 2009}}
	::Judging by the new post by Pat, I think it's alive and just taking a while to finish. [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.221\|99.167.105.221]] 16:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		::Judging by the new post by Pat, I think it's alive and just taking a while to finish. [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.221\|99.167.105.221]] 16:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
	:::Pat might be alive, but that doesn't say anything about how alive the development process is. The 3.4.x series stopped suddenly after a few releases that looked liked normal bug fix releases. Bugs piled up afterwards. After so many years, I wouldn't hold my breath that even my grand children will see another Vanilla NetHack release. Go play a [[Variant]]. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 17:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)		:::Pat might be alive, but that doesn't say anything about how alive the development process is. The 3.4.x series stopped suddenly after a few releases that looked liked normal bug fix releases. Bugs piled up afterwards. After so many years, I wouldn't hold my breath that even my grand children will see another Vanilla NetHack release. Go play a [[Variant]]. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 17:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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	3.6.0!		3.6.0!
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	-[[Special:Contributions/74.76.230.85\|74.76.230.85]] 02:01, 8 December 2015 (UTC)		-[[Special:Contributions/74.76.230.85\|74.76.230.85]] 02:01, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Furey: /* Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? */ Done.

2024-06-03T05:57:23Z

Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?: Done.

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	::Sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		::Sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::Done. -- [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: /* Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? */ +1

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Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?: +1

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	: How does this look to you: The next major version of NetHack is very likely to be [[NetHack 3.7.0]].[https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack]		: How does this look to you: The next major version of NetHack is very likely to be [[NetHack 3.7.0]].[https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack]
	[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
			::Sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Furey: /* Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? */ proposal to add "major"

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Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?: proposal to add "major"

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	Ok. Then just specify the next major version or something similar. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		Ok. Then just specify the next major version or something similar. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

			: How does this look to you: The next major version of NetHack is very likely to be [[NetHack 3.7.0]].[https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack]
			[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: /* Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? */ reply

2024-06-03T05:45:05Z

Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?: reply

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	::The lede asserting 3.7.0 has already been wrong four times. The current version was 3.6.3 when this lede was committed, and there have been four releases since then, none of which were 3.7.0. Every time it's wrong, one could say "this is the last time it will be wrong", and someday it really will be the last time it was wrong. But after having a flat claim that's been wrong four times since its inception in December 2019, I'd like to rewrite a lede with such a history of wrongness. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		::The lede asserting 3.7.0 has already been wrong four times. The current version was 3.6.3 when this lede was committed, and there have been four releases since then, none of which were 3.7.0. Every time it's wrong, one could say "this is the last time it will be wrong", and someday it really will be the last time it was wrong. But after having a flat claim that's been wrong four times since its inception in December 2019, I'd like to rewrite a lede with such a history of wrongness. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

			:"The lede asserting 3.7.0 has already been wrong four times."

			Ok. Then just specify the next major version or something similar. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Furey: /* Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? */ re-iterate the lede's history of being wrong

2024-06-03T05:39:57Z

Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?: re-iterate the lede's history of being wrong

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	:3.7 was in development while 3.6.6 was originally the latest stable - the latter was only updated to 3.6.7 specifically to address a serious security flaw. Barring another discovery of that nature, I'm not seeing much reason to believe 3.6.8 has a non-zero chance of existing. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		:3.7 was in development while 3.6.6 was originally the latest stable - the latter was only updated to 3.6.7 specifically to address a serious security flaw. Barring another discovery of that nature, I'm not seeing much reason to believe 3.6.8 has a non-zero chance of existing. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

			::The lede asserting 3.7.0 has already been wrong four times. The current version was 3.6.3 when this lede was committed, and there have been four releases since then, none of which were 3.7.0. Every time it's wrong, one could say "this is the last time it will be wrong", and someday it really will be the last time it was wrong. But after having a flat claim that's been wrong four times since its inception in December 2019, I'd like to rewrite a lede with such a history of wrongness. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: reply

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	::Github is authoritative evidence, all right! And on https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack I see the README talking about 3.7. But it doesn't say that 3.7 will be the next release. Just that 3.7 is a work in progress. It doesn't say at all that the next release has to be 3.7.0 (rather than a 3.6.8). [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		::Github is authoritative evidence, all right! And on https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack I see the README talking about 3.7. But it doesn't say that 3.7 will be the next release. Just that 3.7 is a work in progress. It doesn't say at all that the next release has to be 3.7.0 (rather than a 3.6.8). [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

			:3.7 was in development while 3.6.6 was originally the latest stable - the latter was only updated to 3.6.7 specifically to address a serious security flaw. Barring another discovery of that nature, I'm not seeing much reason to believe 3.6.8 has a non-zero chance of existing. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Furey: /* Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? */ existence of 3.7 doesn't mean it will be the next release.

2024-06-03T05:28:36Z

Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?: existence of 3.7 doesn't mean it will be the next release.

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	:The NetHack Github clearly labels the upcoming version 3.7, and said versions is also made available to play on Hardfought. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		:The NetHack Github clearly labels the upcoming version 3.7, and said versions is also made available to play on Hardfought. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

			::Github is authoritative evidence, all right! And on https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack I see the README talking about 3.7. But it doesn't say that 3.7 will be the next release. Just that 3.7 is a work in progress. It doesn't say at all that the next release has to be 3.7.0 (rather than a 3.6.8). [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: :V

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			:The NetHack Github clearly labels the upcoming version 3.7, and said versions is also made available to play on Hardfought. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Furey: Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?

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Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0?

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			== Citation for claim that next version is 3.7.0? ==

			Lede says next version is 3.7.0. First, "is" is wrong. We just do not know. Second, this claim is not backed by a citation to nethack.org or rgrn or any other place the devteam speaks with authority. Third, this lede has been here since December 15 2019, so it's been wrong 4 times already. 3.6.4, 3.6.5, 3.6.6, 3.6.7 were released after this lede was committed.

			Does anyone have evidence to offer about this? If not, then after a week or so, I will rewrite the lede. Something like:

			The current version of NetHack is NetHack 3.6.7. Based on external observation, it is likely that the next version will be either 3.6.8 (which would very likely be a small bugfix release) or 3.7.0 (which would be a major feature release).

			[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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	::Sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)		::Sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
			:::Done. -- [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)