Talk:Nutrition - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: proper context for eat.c link

2025-05-11T23:29:58Z

proper context for eat.c link

Gargarismo: /* Mysterious "extra" hunger */

2021-06-27T09:24:10Z

‎Mysterious "extra" hunger

Tjr: /* resetting the satiated-before-eating status */ new section

2011-07-11T16:41:17Z

‎resetting the satiated-before-eating status: new section

Tjr at 22:44, 21 May 2011

2011-05-21T22:44:05Z

Ion frigate at 22:37, 21 May 2011

2011-05-21T22:37:45Z

Qazmlpok at 12:36, 6 June 2010

2010-06-06T12:36:34Z

Tjr: speed does not affect nutrition. tried it.

2010-06-06T10:21:19Z

speed does not affect nutrition. tried it.

Ion frigate at 07:17, 6 June 2010

2010-06-06T07:17:23Z

Qazmlpok at 23:14, 5 June 2010

2010-06-05T23:14:32Z

Tjr at 13:40, 30 May 2010

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 : Answering my own question, I guess it was these "bleech - rotten food" cases. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
-: It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. Also, if the corpse is gone after the blecch-message, (almost?) no nutrition is gained. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
+: It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:NetHack 3.4.3/src/eat.c#line2076|Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. Also, if the corpse is gone after the blecch-message, (almost?) no nutrition is gained. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 :: Same case. With full moon, almost everything I eat (starting inventory apples, carrots, rations and some found lichens and rations) give me the "bleech, rotten food". Sudden fainting just some moves away of eating. In previous play, I suddenly found myself weak after having no hunger at all. I ported some rings but they were removed (not put). I guess it was the rotten food combined with luck?  ——[[User:Gargarismo|Gargarismo]] ([[User talk:Gargarismo|talk]]) 09:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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 : Answering my own question, I guess it was these "bleech - rotten food" cases. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 : It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. Also, if the corpse is gone after the blecch-message, (almost?) no nutrition is gained. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 == Nutrition and speed ==

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	:Good thinking. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)		:Good thinking. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== resetting the satiated-before-eating status ==
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		+	You choke if you were satiated before your meal and are oversatiated after it. What resets this satiated-before-meal status? Eating something else in between definitely does, being interrupted by a monster watching you seems not to. I don't understand the source code, though. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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	==Death from choking==		==Death from choking==
	Am I the only one who thinks that the devs simply misplaced a "!" in the code for choking? If the condition were (!Strangled && rn2(20)), that would mean you'd have a 19/20 chance of vomiting and a 1/20 chance of choking. That strikes me as both more realistic (you are far more likely to make yourself sick from overeating than to choke to death), and more tactically interesting - eating while potentially oversatiated would be risky, but possibly worthwhile in the case of wraith corpses, whereas now it is simply not worth the risk, given the near-certainty of choking if you are oversatiated. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:37, 21 May 2011 (UTC)		Am I the only one who thinks that the devs simply misplaced a "!" in the code for choking? If the condition were (!Strangled && rn2(20)), that would mean you'd have a 19/20 chance of vomiting and a 1/20 chance of choking. That strikes me as both more realistic (you are far more likely to make yourself sick from overeating than to choke to death), and more tactically interesting - eating while potentially oversatiated would be risky, but possibly worthwhile in the case of wraith corpses, whereas now it is simply not worth the risk, given the near-certainty of choking if you are oversatiated. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:37, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:Good thinking. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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	:: Also true in vanilla. Specifically, I did exact nutrition bookkeeping for a long series of multiconduct games, and intrinsic speed did not make a difference. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)		:: Also true in vanilla. Specifically, I did exact nutrition bookkeeping for a long series of multiconduct games, and intrinsic speed did not make a difference. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Thanks. I'll mention it in the article. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC)		:::Thanks. I'll mention it in the article. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	==Death from choking==
		+	Am I the only one who thinks that the devs simply misplaced a "!" in the code for choking? If the condition were (!Strangled && rn2(20)), that would mean you'd have a 19/20 chance of vomiting and a 1/20 chance of choking. That strikes me as both more realistic (you are far more likely to make yourself sick from overeating than to choke to death), and more tactically interesting - eating while potentially oversatiated would be risky, but possibly worthwhile in the case of wraith corpses, whereas now it is simply not worth the risk, given the near-certainty of choking if you are oversatiated. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 22:37, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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	:It seems that speed doesn't have any effect, at least with regards to the turn counter. That is, if you eat a food ration after becoming hungry on turn 1000, it is around turn 1800 that you become hungry, with small adjustments for rings, time eating the ration, etc. At least, it's true in SLASH'EM, with a warhorse eating candy bars. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 07:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)		:It seems that speed doesn't have any effect, at least with regards to the turn counter. That is, if you eat a food ration after becoming hungry on turn 1000, it is around turn 1800 that you become hungry, with small adjustments for rings, time eating the ration, etc. At least, it's true in SLASH'EM, with a warhorse eating candy bars. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 07:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
	:: Also true in vanilla. Specifically, I did exact nutrition bookkeeping for a long series of multiconduct games, and intrinsic speed did not make a difference. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)		:: Also true in vanilla. Specifically, I did exact nutrition bookkeeping for a long series of multiconduct games, and intrinsic speed did not make a difference. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks. I'll mention it in the article. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

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	How does speed affect the rate in which nutrition is burned? If polymorphed into a warhorse, which has double normal speed and needs to eat, do you burn food at twice the normal rate (Assume indefinte polymorph, but no amulet of unchanging or any other sources of additional lost nutrition and no intrinsic speed)? Will polymorphing into a monster with a speed of 6 result in half the nutrition burned to match the half movement speed? Or do you still lose a point for the turn you never get? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)		How does speed affect the rate in which nutrition is burned? If polymorphed into a warhorse, which has double normal speed and needs to eat, do you burn food at twice the normal rate (Assume indefinte polymorph, but no amulet of unchanging or any other sources of additional lost nutrition and no intrinsic speed)? Will polymorphing into a monster with a speed of 6 result in half the nutrition burned to match the half movement speed? Or do you still lose a point for the turn you never get? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
	:It seems that speed doesn't have any effect, at least with regards to the turn counter. That is, if you eat a food ration after becoming hungry on turn 1000, it is around turn 1800 that you become hungry, with small adjustments for rings, time eating the ration, etc. At least, it's true in SLASH'EM, with a warhorse eating candy bars. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 07:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)		:It seems that speed doesn't have any effect, at least with regards to the turn counter. That is, if you eat a food ration after becoming hungry on turn 1000, it is around turn 1800 that you become hungry, with small adjustments for rings, time eating the ration, etc. At least, it's true in SLASH'EM, with a warhorse eating candy bars. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 07:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:: Also true in vanilla. Specifically, I did exact nutrition bookkeeping for a long series of multiconduct games, and intrinsic speed did not make a difference. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

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	== Nutrition and speed ==		== Nutrition and speed ==
	How does speed affect the rate in which nutrition is burned? If polymorphed into a warhorse, which has double normal speed and needs to eat, do you burn food at twice the normal rate (Assume indefinte polymorph, but no amulet of unchanging or any other sources of additional lost nutrition and no intrinsic speed)? Will polymorphing into a monster with a speed of 6 result in half the nutrition burned to match the half movement speed? Or do you still lose a point for the turn you never get? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)		How does speed affect the rate in which nutrition is burned? If polymorphed into a warhorse, which has double normal speed and needs to eat, do you burn food at twice the normal rate (Assume indefinte polymorph, but no amulet of unchanging or any other sources of additional lost nutrition and no intrinsic speed)? Will polymorphing into a monster with a speed of 6 result in half the nutrition burned to match the half movement speed? Or do you still lose a point for the turn you never get? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:It seems that speed doesn't have any effect, at least with regards to the turn counter. That is, if you eat a food ration after becoming hungry on turn 1000, it is around turn 1800 that you become hungry, with small adjustments for rings, time eating the ration, etc. At least, it's true in SLASH'EM, with a warhorse eating candy bars. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 07:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

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	: Answering my own question, I guess it was these "bleech - rotten food" cases. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		: Answering my own question, I guess it was these "bleech - rotten food" cases. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
	: It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. Also, if the corpse is gone after the blecch-message, (almost?) no nutrition is gained. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)		: It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. Also, if the corpse is gone after the blecch-message, (almost?) no nutrition is gained. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Nutrition and speed ==
		+	How does speed affect the rate in which nutrition is burned? If polymorphed into a warhorse, which has double normal speed and needs to eat, do you burn food at twice the normal rate (Assume indefinte polymorph, but no amulet of unchanging or any other sources of additional lost nutrition and no intrinsic speed)? Will polymorphing into a monster with a speed of 6 result in half the nutrition burned to match the half movement speed? Or do you still lose a point for the turn you never get? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

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	: Answering my own question, I guess it was these "bleech - rotten food" cases. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		: Answering my own question, I guess it was these "bleech - rotten food" cases. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
−	: It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:13, May 30, 2010 (UTC)	+	: It turns out interrupting meals loses a little bit of nutrition, see [[Source:Eat.c#line2076]]. Also, if the corpse is gone after the blecch-message, (almost?) no nutrition is gained. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)