Talk:Ochre jelly - Revision history

Uchronia: /* Are some jellies included among Amoeboids? */ new section

2020-07-03T06:51:50Z

‎Are some jellies included among Amoeboids?: new section

94.109.109.35: /* engulfing attack in SLASH'EM */ new section

2014-10-15T08:12:42Z

‎engulfing attack in SLASH'EM: new section

Tjr: /* Attribution */ agreed

2012-02-01T13:06:12Z

‎Attribution: agreed

Ion frigate at 04:44, 1 February 2012

2012-02-01T04:44:38Z

Tjr at 00:34, 20 September 2011

2011-09-20T00:34:41Z

Qazmlpok at 00:14, 20 September 2011

2011-09-20T00:14:59Z

Tjr: Created page with "IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(+1), where level is the victim's level. --~~~~"

2011-09-19T23:44:43Z

Created page with "IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(<level>+1), where level is the victim's level. --~~~~"

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IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(<level>+1), where level is the victim's level. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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	"You are covered in slime! It burns! Your Key of Neutrality corrodes! [4 pts.]"		"You are covered in slime! It burns! Your Key of Neutrality corrodes! [4 pts.]"
	--[[Special:Contributions/94.109.109.35\|94.109.109.35]] 08:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)		--[[Special:Contributions/94.109.109.35\|94.109.109.35]] 08:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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		+	== Are some jellies included among Amoeboids? ==
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		+	The amoeboids page claims that they are only blobs, puddings, and oozes: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Amoeboid
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		+	Ochre jelly is called an amoeboid on the current page, which might make sense, but is the notion of amoeboid part of the code base too?

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	: Agreed. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)		: Agreed. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== engulfing attack in SLASH'EM ==
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		+	I got engulfed, and my alignment key got corroded, sniff sniff :'(
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		+	"You are covered in slime! It burns! Your Key of Neutrality corrodes! [4 pts.]"
		+	--[[Special:Contributions/94.109.109.35\|94.109.109.35]] 08:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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	Anyway, if no one objects, over the next few days I'm going to do this to a few other articles that have similar unnecessary tags. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 04:44, 1 February 2012 (UTC)		Anyway, if no one objects, over the next few days I'm going to do this to a few other articles that have similar unnecessary tags. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 04:44, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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		+	: Agreed. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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	::You're right twice. Monst.c confirms 3d6. In those cases of 0d<number> damage in monst.c, the 0 is replaced with the jelly's level+1, {{sourcecode\|mhitm.c\|1292}} and {{sourcecode\|Uhitm.c\|2150}}. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)		::You're right twice. Monst.c confirms 3d6. In those cases of 0d<number> damage in monst.c, the 0 is replaced with the jelly's level+1, {{sourcecode\|mhitm.c\|1292}} and {{sourcecode\|Uhitm.c\|2150}}. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	==Attribution==
		+	I'm removing the attribution for two reasons:
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		+	1) It's based on [http://www.juiblex.co.uk/nethack/VernonSpoilers/MonsterManual/ochre_jelly.html#ochre_jelly this page], which contains nothing that isn't just a rephrasing of the source code and the makedefs array. We could regenerate the page with the bot we used to make SLASH'EM monster articles and get the exact same result; in that sense, the attribution isn't needed because the monster stats and attributes are "common knowledge."
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		+	2) The other information in the wiki article, so far as I can tell, is original. Moreover, having attribution for relatively generic articles is weird and confusing. IMO we shouldn't be using templates for that to begin with; it's ugly and implies that the article is an exact copy of the original site (and might I add that if the wiki page is, it should be rewritten). [[Upgrading objects]] is an example of how we should be attributing sources: integrate the attribution into the article text, while writing an article that's based on the source, not a copy of it.
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		+	Anyway, if no one objects, over the next few days I'm going to do this to a few other articles that have similar unnecessary tags. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 04:44, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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	IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(<level>+1), where level is the victim's level. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)		IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(<level>+1), where level is the victim's level. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
	:nhtohtml is giving me '[[Engulfing]] 3d6 [[acid]], [[Passive]] 3d6 [[acid]]'. Other passive attacks are level-based, although I always assumed it was the creature's level, not the victim's. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)		:nhtohtml is giving me '[[Engulfing]] 3d6 [[acid]], [[Passive]] 3d6 [[acid]]'. Other passive attacks are level-based, although I always assumed it was the creature's level, not the victim's. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	::You're right twice. Monst.c confirms 3d6. In those cases of 0d<number> damage in monst.c, the 0 is replaced with the jelly's level+1, {{sourcecode\|mhitm.c\|1292}} and {{sourcecode\|Uhitm.c\|2150}}. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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	IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(<level>+1), where level is the victim's level. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)		IS the passive attack really 3d6? I remember something about 1d(<level>+1), where level is the victim's level. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	:nhtohtml is giving me '[[Engulfing]] 3d6 [[acid]], [[Passive]] 3d6 [[acid]]'. Other passive attacks are level-based, although I always assumed it was the creature's level, not the victim's. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)