Talk:Pet (SLASH'EM) - Revision history

Qazmlpok at 18:37, 24 August 2010

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Tjr at 16:45, 24 August 2010

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Tjr: /* Untamable pets */

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‎Untamable pets

Tjr: /* Untamable pets */

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‎Untamable pets

Qazmlpok: /* Untamable pets */

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Tjr: /* Untamable pets */

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Tjr: /* Untamable pets */

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Qazmlpok at 22:53, 11 April 2010

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Tjr: /* Untamable pets */

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‎Untamable pets

Tjr at 22:17, 11 April 2010

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	* What about spell beings? Do you still get blame for what they kill if you polymorph them and they then rebel?		* What about spell beings? Do you still get blame for what they kill if you polymorph them and they then rebel?
	[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:45, August 24, 2010 (UTC)		[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:45, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:* I didn't see anything to prevent it, but I've never tried to confirm it.
		+	:* Minions and spell beings never turn traitor
		+	: [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 18:37, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

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	:::::So it requires wraith farming for a pet slime AND conflict? Yeash. How'd you get the book after that, steal as a nymph? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		:::::So it requires wraith farming for a pet slime AND conflict? Yeash. How'd you get the book after that, steal as a nymph? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
	:::::: I was polyselfless, else I'd have become a nymph in the first place. Essentially I was following all conducts not related to eating. I levelported the slime out, let a succubus steal the book using conflict, and had my normal pets kill the succubus. (The slime thing was a wizmode test. The ascension with polypiling and life saving I claim on my page is real.) -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)		:::::: I was polyselfless, else I'd have become a nymph in the first place. Essentially I was following all conducts not related to eating. I levelported the slime out, let a succubus steal the book using conflict, and had my normal pets kill the succubus. (The slime thing was a wizmode test. The ascension with polypiling and life saving I claim on my page is real.) -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	==Traitor==
		+	* Can you retame a traitor pet?
		+	* Can god-granted minions rebel?
		+	* What about spell beings? Do you still get blame for what they kill if you polymorph them and they then rebel?
		+	[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:45, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

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 ::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21, which is necessary to actually land a blow with conflict. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 :::::So it requires wraith farming for a pet slime AND conflict? Yeash. How'd you get the book after that, steal as a nymph? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 23:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::: I was polyselfless, else I'd have become a nymph in the first place. Essentially I was following all conducts not related to eating. I levelported the slime out, let a succubus steal the book using conflict, and had my normal pets kill the succubus. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 02:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
+:::::: I was polyselfless, else I'd have become a nymph in the first place. Essentially I was following all conducts not related to eating. I levelported the slime out, let a succubus steal the book using conflict, and had my normal pets kill the succubus. (The slime thing was a wizmode test. The ascension with polypiling and life saving I claim on my page is real.) -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 02:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

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	::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21, which is necessary to actually land a blow with conflict. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21, which is necessary to actually land a blow with conflict. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
	:::::So it requires wraith farming for a pet slime AND conflict? Yeash. How'd you get the book after that, steal as a nymph? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		:::::So it requires wraith farming for a pet slime AND conflict? Yeash. How'd you get the book after that, steal as a nymph? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::::: I was polyselfless, else I'd have become a nymph in the first place. Essentially I was following all conducts not related to eating. I levelported the slime out, let a succubus steal the book using conflict, and had my normal pets kill the succubus. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

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	::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21, which is necessary to actually land a blow with conflict. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21, which is necessary to actually land a blow with conflict. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::::So it requires wraith farming for a pet slime AND conflict? Yeash. How'd you get the book after that, steal as a nymph? -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:41, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	:::Hmm, I didn't even think to try sliming. Personally I find that green slimes are too weak and too slow as a polymorph form to have a chance of affecting the wizard, especially since you can't burn Elbereth first like against the demon princes. Polymorphing him into something that respects Elbereth and/or is weak, polymorphing yourself, and then sliming him might work, although honestly I'd say that would be way too much work for what it's worth if you can't ''completely'' get rid of him through taming. Possibly for a pacifist, but that'd only apply for Vanilla and not SLASH'EM, because a pet solar would simply be much more effective for dealing with the wizard. Also, I don't believe a pet slime can attack the wizard without conflict. The base level is only 6, and I believe wraith corpses can only raise to base+15. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		:::Hmm, I didn't even think to try sliming. Personally I find that green slimes are too weak and too slow as a polymorph form to have a chance of affecting the wizard, especially since you can't burn Elbereth first like against the demon princes. Polymorphing him into something that respects Elbereth and/or is weak, polymorphing yourself, and then sliming him might work, although honestly I'd say that would be way too much work for what it's worth if you can't ''completely'' get rid of him through taming. Possibly for a pacifist, but that'd only apply for Vanilla and not SLASH'EM, because a pet solar would simply be much more effective for dealing with the wizard. Also, I don't believe a pet slime can attack the wizard without conflict. The base level is only 6, and I believe wraith corpses can only raise to base+15. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

−	::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)	+	::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21, which is necessary to actually land a blow with conflict. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	::In vanilla, you can slime him (polyself or feed wraith to your pet slime). This incarnation of him then permanently stays polymorphed, but still follows you up stairs and cannot even be pacified. If I read the code correctly, once there are two wizard slimes, any subsequent wizard summoning will then only level teleport one of the slimes next to you. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		::In vanilla, you can slime him (polyself or feed wraith to your pet slime). This incarnation of him then permanently stays polymorphed, but still follows you up stairs and cannot even be pacified. If I read the code correctly, once there are two wizard slimes, any subsequent wizard summoning will then only level teleport one of the slimes next to you. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Hmm, I didn't even think to try sliming. Personally I find that green slimes are too weak and too slow as a polymorph form to have a chance of affecting the wizard, especially since you can't burn Elbereth first like against the demon princes. Polymorphing him into something that respects Elbereth and/or is weak, polymorphing yourself, and then sliming him might work, although honestly I'd say that would be way too much work for what it's worth if you can't ''completely'' get rid of him through taming. Possibly for a pacifist, but that'd only apply for Vanilla and not SLASH'EM, because a pet solar would simply be much more effective for dealing with the wizard. Also, I don't believe a pet slime can attack the wizard without conflict. The base level is only 6, and I believe wraith corpses can only raise to base+15. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		:::Hmm, I didn't even think to try sliming. Personally I find that green slimes are too weak and too slow as a polymorph form to have a chance of affecting the wizard, especially since you can't burn Elbereth first like against the demon princes. Polymorphing him into something that respects Elbereth and/or is weak, polymorphing yourself, and then sliming him might work, although honestly I'd say that would be way too much work for what it's worth if you can't ''completely'' get rid of him through taming. Possibly for a pacifist, but that'd only apply for Vanilla and not SLASH'EM, because a pet solar would simply be much more effective for dealing with the wizard. Also, I don't believe a pet slime can attack the wizard without conflict. The base level is only 6, and I believe wraith corpses can only raise to base+15. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	::::Elbereth won't work on the Wizard, no matter what. If you need the extra safeguards, try a ring of free action, a stethoscope, max Luck, and several #named potions of paralysis. The sliming discussion stems from my Vanilla wishless weaponless atheist pacifist games: I wanted the cursed Book of the Dead to farm with. As long as the original Wizard lives and the Ritual hasn't been done, the guy will leave you alone. And, BTW, slimes can reach level 21. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	::In vanilla, you can slime him (polyself or feed wraith to your pet slime). This incarnation of him then permanently stays polymorphed, but still follows you up stairs and cannot even be pacified. If I read the code correctly, once there are two wizard slimes, any subsequent wizard summoning will then only level teleport one of the slimes next to you. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		::In vanilla, you can slime him (polyself or feed wraith to your pet slime). This incarnation of him then permanently stays polymorphed, but still follows you up stairs and cannot even be pacified. If I read the code correctly, once there are two wizard slimes, any subsequent wizard summoning will then only level teleport one of the slimes next to you. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::Hmm, I didn't even think to try sliming. Personally I find that green slimes are too weak and too slow as a polymorph form to have a chance of affecting the wizard, especially since you can't burn Elbereth first like against the demon princes. Polymorphing him into something that respects Elbereth and/or is weak, polymorphing yourself, and then sliming him might work, although honestly I'd say that would be way too much work for what it's worth if you can't ''completely'' get rid of him through taming. Possibly for a pacifist, but that'd only apply for Vanilla and not SLASH'EM, because a pet solar would simply be much more effective for dealing with the wizard. Also, I don't believe a pet slime can attack the wizard without conflict. The base level is only 6, and I believe wraith corpses can only raise to base+15. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	:I went ahead and tried this in wizard mode, and this is what I found: You can polymorph the wizard, but he remains untameable (I tried dozens of times casting charm monster with a level 30 wizard). However, he does at least stay polymorphed for around ~1000 turns, and will reappear in his polymorphed form during that time. Also, he continues to be able to follow you from level to level while polymorphed. I suppose this could be useful to make him less dangerous for a while, though it seems a wand of death would be a simpler and more effective option. I guess for a pacifist, though, it could be easier to just polymorph him. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:42, April 11, 2010 (UTC)		:I went ahead and tried this in wizard mode, and this is what I found: You can polymorph the wizard, but he remains untameable (I tried dozens of times casting charm monster with a level 30 wizard). However, he does at least stay polymorphed for around ~1000 turns, and will reappear in his polymorphed form during that time. Also, he continues to be able to follow you from level to level while polymorphed. I suppose this could be useful to make him less dangerous for a while, though it seems a wand of death would be a simpler and more effective option. I guess for a pacifist, though, it could be easier to just polymorph him. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:42, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

−	::In vanilla, you can slime him (polyself or feed wraith to your pet slime). This incarnation of him then permanently stays polymorphed, but still follows you up stairs and cannot even be pacified. If I read the code correctly, any subsequent wizard summoning will then only level teleport one of the slimes next to you. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)	+	::In vanilla, you can slime him (polyself or feed wraith to your pet slime). This incarnation of him then permanently stays polymorphed, but still follows you up stairs and cannot even be pacified. If I read the code correctly, once there are two wizard slimes, any subsequent wizard summoning will then only level teleport one of the slimes next to you. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)