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		<title>Qazmlpok: /* Cloaks, Medium and Xorns */</title>
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		<updated>2016-01-13T19:54:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Cloaks, Medium and Xorns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:54, 13 January 2016&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l7&quot; &gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Medium '''humanoid''' monsters can wear cloaks. Xorns are not humanoid, and therefore cannot wear cloaks, bodyarmor, or shirts. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 19:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Medium '''humanoid''' monsters can wear cloaks. Xorns are not humanoid, and therefore cannot wear cloaks, bodyarmor, or shirts. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 19:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Right you are. The xorn (or many other monster pages) don't seem to explicitly mention if the monster in question is a humanoid or not. I wonder if there's a list of cloak and armor wearing monsters anywhere? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Right you are. The xorn (or many other monster pages) don't seem to explicitly mention if the monster in question is a humanoid or not. I wonder if there's a list of cloak and armor wearing monsters anywhere? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:::It should mention if they're humanoid, and just not say anything at all if they aren't. [[Aleax]], for example: has a head, a couple of arms, and a torso. For a list of armor wearing creatures, you can kinda use [[User:Qazmlpok/monsterarmor]]. It was made for SLASH'EM, so there will be a bunch of monsters that don't exist in vanilla, but ctrl-f should work at least. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 19:54, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Qazmlpok</name></author>
		
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		<id>https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Physical_size&amp;diff=101045&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Kynde: /* Cloaks, Medium and Xorns */</title>
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		<updated>2016-01-13T19:28:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Cloaks, Medium and Xorns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:28, 13 January 2016&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l6&quot; &gt;Line 6:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The page says medium monsters can wear cloaks. And the [[Xorn]] page says a xorn is medium, but as I just polyselfed into one my cloak and armor tore apart. One of these pages is probably not right. Which is it? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The page says medium monsters can wear cloaks. And the [[Xorn]] page says a xorn is medium, but as I just polyselfed into one my cloak and armor tore apart. One of these pages is probably not right. Which is it? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Medium '''humanoid''' monsters can wear cloaks. Xorns are not humanoid, and therefore cannot wear cloaks, bodyarmor, or shirts. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 19:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Medium '''humanoid''' monsters can wear cloaks. Xorns are not humanoid, and therefore cannot wear cloaks, bodyarmor, or shirts. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 19:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::Right you are. The xorn (or many other monster pages) don't seem to explicitly mention if the monster in question is a humanoid or not. I wonder if there's a list of cloak and armor wearing monsters anywhere? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Kynde</name></author>
		
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		<title>Qazmlpok: /* Cloaks, Medium and Xorns */</title>
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		<updated>2016-01-13T19:24:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Cloaks, Medium and Xorns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:24, 13 January 2016&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot; &gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Cloaks, Medium and Xorns ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Cloaks, Medium and Xorns ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The page says medium monsters can wear cloaks. And the [[Xorn]] page says a xorn is medium, but as I just polyselfed into one my cloak and armor tore apart. One of these pages is probably not right. Which is it? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The page says medium monsters can wear cloaks. And the [[Xorn]] page says a xorn is medium, but as I just polyselfed into one my cloak and armor tore apart. One of these pages is probably not right. Which is it? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:Medium '''humanoid''' monsters can wear cloaks. Xorns are not humanoid, and therefore cannot wear cloaks, bodyarmor, or shirts. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 19:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Qazmlpok</name></author>
		
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		<id>https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Physical_size&amp;diff=101042&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Kynde: /* cloaks, medium and xorns */</title>
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		<updated>2016-01-13T19:15:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;cloaks, medium and xorns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:15, 13 January 2016&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l2&quot; &gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:With 15 strength, basic in dagger, and a +0 Elven dagger, I was able to do 4 damage in one hit to a gray elf. The dagger does 1d3 to large and 1d5 to small, so unless I messed up the test, size medium is considered small. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 21:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:With 15 strength, basic in dagger, and a +0 Elven dagger, I was able to do 4 damage in one hit to a gray elf. The dagger does 1d3 to large and 1d5 to small, so unless I messed up the test, size medium is considered small. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 21:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::I just made a chart based on that observation and added it to the Weapon page, as well as this page here. Pretty sure you're correct ([[strength]] page ''does'' say that doesn't give a bonus). If anything's wrong, the [[Weapon#Strategy|Weapon]] page and my chart will need to be revised. Thanks for that comment, at that—I had no freakin' clue and was waiting until I found out to make it. [[User:Feagradze|Feagradze]] 06:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::I just made a chart based on that observation and added it to the Weapon page, as well as this page here. Pretty sure you're correct ([[strength]] page ''does'' say that doesn't give a bonus). If anything's wrong, the [[Weapon#Strategy|Weapon]] page and my chart will need to be revised. Thanks for that comment, at that—I had no freakin' clue and was waiting until I found out to make it. [[User:Feagradze|Feagradze]] 06:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Cloaks, Medium and Xorns ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The page says medium monsters can wear cloaks. And the [[Xorn]] page says a xorn is medium, but as I just polyselfed into one my cloak and armor tore apart. One of these pages is probably not right. Which is it? -- [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Kynde</name></author>
		
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		<id>https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Physical_size&amp;diff=51114&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Feagradze: Chart remarks</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-11T06:42:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Chart remarks&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &amp;quot;small&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;large&amp;quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage? &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt; &lt;/del&gt;My guess is that Medium and under are &amp;quot;small&amp;quot;, and Large and above are &amp;quot;large&amp;quot;, but it's not unambiguous (Dmg vs. small could be interpreted to mean just Small and Tiny). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 20:18, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &amp;quot;small&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;large&amp;quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage? My guess is that Medium and under are &amp;quot;small&amp;quot;, and Large and above are &amp;quot;large&amp;quot;, but it's not unambiguous (Dmg vs. small could be interpreted to mean just Small and Tiny). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 20:18, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:With 15 strength, basic in dagger, and a +0 Elven dagger, I was able to do 4 damage in one hit to a gray elf. The dagger does 1d3 to large and 1d5 to small, so unless I messed up the test, size medium is considered small. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 21:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:With 15 strength, basic in dagger, and a +0 Elven dagger, I was able to do 4 damage in one hit to a gray elf. The dagger does 1d3 to large and 1d5 to small, so unless I messed up the test, size medium is considered small. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 21:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::I just made a chart based on that observation and added it to the Weapon page, as well as this page here. Pretty sure you're correct ([[strength]] page ''does'' say that doesn't give a bonus). If anything's wrong, the [[Weapon#Strategy|Weapon]] page and my chart will need to be revised. Thanks for that comment, at that—I had no freakin' clue and was waiting until I found out to make it. [[User:Feagradze|Feagradze]] 06:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Qazmlpok at 21:28, 7 March 2010</title>
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &amp;quot;small&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;large&amp;quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage?  My guess is that Medium and under are &amp;quot;small&amp;quot;, and Large and above are &amp;quot;large&amp;quot;, but it's not unambiguous (Dmg vs. small could be interpreted to mean just Small and Tiny). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 20:18, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &amp;quot;small&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;large&amp;quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage?  My guess is that Medium and under are &amp;quot;small&amp;quot;, and Large and above are &amp;quot;large&amp;quot;, but it's not unambiguous (Dmg vs. small could be interpreted to mean just Small and Tiny). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 20:18, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:With 15 strength, basic in dagger, and a +0 Elven dagger, I was able to do 4 damage in one hit to a gray elf. The dagger does 1d3 to large and 1d5 to small, so unless I messed up the test, size medium is considered small. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 21:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Ion frigate: Created page with 'Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &quot;small&quot; versus &quot;large&quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage?  My guess is that Medium and under are &quot;small&quot;, and Large and above are &quot;l…'</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &amp;quot;small&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;large&amp;quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage?  My guess is that Medium and under are &amp;quot;small&amp;quot;, and Large and above are &amp;quot;l…&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what the cutoff is for &amp;quot;small&amp;quot; versus &amp;quot;large&amp;quot; monsters when it comes to weapon damage?  My guess is that Medium and under are &amp;quot;small&amp;quot;, and Large and above are &amp;quot;large&amp;quot;, but it's not unambiguous (Dmg vs. small could be interpreted to mean just Small and Tiny). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 20:18, March 7, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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