Talk:Plot - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom at 04:08, 25 March 2020

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Aximili at 00:00, 25 March 2020

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Umbire the Phantom at 20:17, 24 March 2020

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Aximili at 19:35, 24 March 2020

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Umbire the Phantom: Created page with "==Merge== This seems extremely redundant and could likely be folded into the introduction article, and I think the structure of the game is elaborated on in other articles..."

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Created page with "==Merge== This seems extremely redundant and could likely be folded into the introduction article, and I think the structure of the game is elaborated on in other articles..."

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This seems extremely redundant and could likely be folded into the [[introduction]] article, and I think the structure of the game is elaborated on in other articles; commentary on [[roguelike]]s and sparse plots could be saved for that article I'm sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 14:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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	:::There are also certain characters with a bit of flavour about them, particularly Moloch and the Wizard of Yendor. So I don't think both [[plot]] and [[story]] can just be merged into other articles. Maybe something more like "The beginning of the player's story is described in [[Introduction]]. However the actual story deviates from the introduction because ... . The plot of NetHack is rather limited because ... . The exact layout of the dungeon is described in [[Mazes of Menace]]." --[[User:Aximili\|Aximili]] ([[User talk:Aximili\|talk]]) 00:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)		:::There are also certain characters with a bit of flavour about them, particularly Moloch and the Wizard of Yendor. So I don't think both [[plot]] and [[story]] can just be merged into other articles. Maybe something more like "The beginning of the player's story is described in [[Introduction]]. However the actual story deviates from the introduction because ... . The plot of NetHack is rather limited because ... . The exact layout of the dungeon is described in [[Mazes of Menace]]." --[[User:Aximili\|Aximili]] ([[User talk:Aximili\|talk]]) 00:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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		+	::Yeah, that sounds a lot more viable. For what it's worth, this is very much due to me taking a "once and only once" approach to wiki matters and try to minimize redundancy where possible. The fine details of a subject should be covered on that articles subject, but general mentions elsewhere would be fine as opposed to needlessly reproducing every single bit of info in every remotely applicable article. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 04:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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	::Ugh, that's a whole other can of w right there - that's basically just reciting the structure of the game, which I'd feel like we would have covered on a strategical level and would probably fit in the main [[NetHack]] article with some changes. Thing is, I know I'm not the only one who feels some kinda way about this and I don't plan on making such drastic changes without some significant consensus as on how to approach dealing with this unnecessary spread of info. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)		::Ugh, that's a whole other can of w right there - that's basically just reciting the structure of the game, which I'd feel like we would have covered on a strategical level and would probably fit in the main [[NetHack]] article with some changes. Thing is, I know I'm not the only one who feels some kinda way about this and I don't plan on making such drastic changes without some significant consensus as on how to approach dealing with this unnecessary spread of info. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:::I wrote most of [[story]] relatively recently: for years it was pretty much the same as [[plot]], but had a todo complaining "This page should explain storyline of NetHack as a whole, because everything about it is currently on dozens of different pages". I had no idea that [[plot]] was a separate article at that time. Neither of these articles are linked from many parts of the wiki so I suspect very few people read them anyway.
		+	:::You are right that these article(s) should not recite the structure of the game, since all the levels are covered in detail by [[Mazes of Menace]]. However NetHack does have some plot beyond (and even contradicting) the [[introduction]]:
		+	:::* the Quest limitations (on angering the leader, XL and alignment record) force the player to be a hero to their people (at least until the quest is unlocked)
		+	:::* the player can change alignments (with sacrifice or the helm) and serve another god (with the notable exception of Moloch)
		+	:::* the Amulet of Yendor is actually not that 'powerful' from a player's perspective
		+	:::* the ascension text
		+	:::There are also certain characters with a bit of flavour about them, particularly Moloch and the Wizard of Yendor. So I don't think both [[plot]] and [[story]] can just be merged into other articles. Maybe something more like "The beginning of the player's story is described in [[Introduction]]. However the actual story deviates from the introduction because ... . The plot of NetHack is rather limited because ... . The exact layout of the dungeon is described in [[Mazes of Menace]]." --[[User:Aximili\|Aximili]] ([[User talk:Aximili\|talk]]) 00:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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	: Not to mention [[Story]] --[[User:Aximili\|Aximili]] ([[User talk:Aximili\|talk]]) 19:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)		: Not to mention [[Story]] --[[User:Aximili\|Aximili]] ([[User talk:Aximili\|talk]]) 19:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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		+	::Ugh, that's a whole other can of w right there - that's basically just reciting the structure of the game, which I'd feel like we would have covered on a strategical level and would probably fit in the main [[NetHack]] article with some changes. Thing is, I know I'm not the only one who feels some kinda way about this and I don't plan on making such drastic changes without some significant consensus as on how to approach dealing with this unnecessary spread of info. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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	This seems extremely redundant and could likely be folded into the [[introduction]] article, and I think the structure of the game is elaborated on in other articles; commentary on [[roguelike]]s and sparse plots could be saved for that article I'm sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 14:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)		This seems extremely redundant and could likely be folded into the [[introduction]] article, and I think the structure of the game is elaborated on in other articles; commentary on [[roguelike]]s and sparse plots could be saved for that article I'm sure. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 14:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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		+	: Not to mention [[Story]] --[[User:Aximili\|Aximili]] ([[User talk:Aximili\|talk]]) 19:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)