Talk:Polypiling - Revision history

D4 wryyyy: /* Introduction - Item Class */

2022-02-05T18:49:08Z

‎Introduction - Item Class

Umbire the Phantom: /* Introduction - Item Class */

2022-02-01T23:15:34Z

‎Introduction - Item Class

Umbire the Phantom: /* Introduction - Item Class */

2022-02-01T22:59:21Z

‎Introduction - Item Class

D4 wryyyy: /* Introduction - Item Class */

2022-01-28T16:44:54Z

‎Introduction - Item Class

D4 wryyyy: /* Introduction - Item Class */ new section

2022-01-28T03:35:39Z

‎Introduction - Item Class: new section

PQ: /* Gold golem */ new section

2018-02-21T14:56:11Z

‎Gold golem: new section

Netzhack: /* polypiling artifacts */

2017-10-30T22:58:29Z

‎polypiling artifacts

GregKennedy: cleanup

2017-09-07T14:41:43Z

cleanup

217.197.200.65: /* Probability of shuddering for cursed stacks of >4 */ new section

2015-01-05T09:20:39Z

‎Probability of shuddering for cursed stacks of >4: new section

220.255.1.144: /* quibbles with one big pile */

2013-09-19T08:36:25Z

‎quibbles with one big pile

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	:And what do you know, it was already present on the page - "Polymorphed items do not change item class: Potions will always yield potions, scrolls will yield scrolls, etc." I would think this was clear enough, but I guess a few extra words wouldn't hurt. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 23:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)		:And what do you know, it was already present on the page - "Polymorphed items do not change item class: Potions will always yield potions, scrolls will yield scrolls, etc." I would think this was clear enough, but I guess a few extra words wouldn't hurt. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 23:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:see the 9th subpost in the section "About that n/1000 chance of merging," by Tjr, for clarification.

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	:I'll handle the clarification sometime today. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)		:I'll handle the clarification sometime today. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:And what do you know, it was already present on the page - "Polymorphed items do not change item class: Potions will always yield potions, scrolls will yield scrolls, etc." I would think this was clear enough, but I guess a few extra words wouldn't hurt. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 23:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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	I've never intentionally cast polymorph ¯\(°_o)/¯ [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 03:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)		I've never intentionally cast polymorph ¯\(°_o)/¯ [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 03:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
	: Went ahead and tested this. It appears projectiles do not remain projectiles. Source: Turned stacks of (4) bolts and arrows into a sword and a staff, respectively. Likewise armor does not retain hit location; boots and a shirt turned into ring mails. Weapons that DO stack can turn into weapons that DON'T, as noted in the discussion page here but not in the main page. I'm not comfortable enough with the relevant terminology to add this to the main page, but someone more experienced might. [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)		: Went ahead and tested this. It appears projectiles do not remain projectiles. Source: Turned stacks of (4) bolts and arrows into a sword and a staff, respectively. Likewise armor does not retain hit location; boots and a shirt turned into ring mails. Weapons that DO stack can turn into weapons that DON'T, as noted in the discussion page here but not in the main page. I'm not comfortable enough with the relevant terminology to add this to the main page, but someone more experienced might. [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:I'll handle the clarification sometime today. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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	Does armor merely remain armor, or armor of the same type/hit location -- helms to other helms, gloves to other gloves, etc..		Does armor merely remain armor, or armor of the same type/hit location -- helms to other helms, gloves to other gloves, etc..
	I've never intentionally cast polymorph ¯\(°_o)/¯ [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 03:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)		I've never intentionally cast polymorph ¯\(°_o)/¯ [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 03:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
		+	: Went ahead and tested this. It appears projectiles do not remain projectiles. Source: Turned stacks of (4) bolts and arrows into a sword and a staff, respectively. Likewise armor does not retain hit location; boots and a shirt turned into ring mails. Weapons that DO stack can turn into weapons that DON'T, as noted in the discussion page here but not in the main page. I'm not comfortable enough with the relevant terminology to add this to the main page, but someone more experienced might. [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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	Since for the "one pile" strategy there is always at least a 5% chance of the stack resisting, it would be helpful to mention that dropping gold can help minimizing golem losses as well - this works well for either pile strategy as you have some gold left over (it's mentioned on the zorkmid page but not here) -[[User:PQ\|PQ]] ([[User talk:PQ\|talk]]) 14:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)		Since for the "one pile" strategy there is always at least a 5% chance of the stack resisting, it would be helpful to mention that dropping gold can help minimizing golem losses as well - this works well for either pile strategy as you have some gold left over (it's mentioned on the zorkmid page but not here) -[[User:PQ\|PQ]] ([[User talk:PQ\|talk]]) 14:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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		+	== Introduction - Item Class ==
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		+	Could anyone clarify "polymorphed items do not change class" e.g. wrt weapons, do projectiles always remain projectiles, or can a stack of crossbow bolts polymorph into a sword?
		+	Does armor merely remain armor, or armor of the same type/hit location -- helms to other helms, gloves to other gloves, etc..
		+	I've never intentionally cast polymorph ¯\(°_o)/¯ [[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 03:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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	If I'm reading the code correctly, cursed stack of 5 items or more will ''always'' shudder unless it resists (with 5% probability), because 3/2 == 1 in C.		If I'm reading the code correctly, cursed stack of 5 items or more will ''always'' shudder unless it resists (with 5% probability), because 3/2 == 1 in C.
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		+	== Gold golem ==
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		+	Since for the "one pile" strategy there is always at least a 5% chance of the stack resisting, it would be helpful to mention that dropping gold can help minimizing golem losses as well - this works well for either pile strategy as you have some gold left over (it's mentioned on the zorkmid page but not here) -[[User:PQ\|PQ]] ([[User talk:PQ\|talk]]) 14:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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 ==polypiling artifacts==
-Is it really true artifacts cannot be polymorphed? I thought they just have a much higher chance to resists, and will never turn into another artifact. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 10:59, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
+Is it really true artifacts cannot be polymorphed? I thought they just have a much higher chance of resisting, and will never turn into another artifact. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 10:59, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 : I just tried it in wizmode, and it looks like you're right. After zapping my pile fore more than 100 times, the artifacts eventually polymorph. The wand, potion and spellbook of polymorph, on the other hand seem to be completely immune to polymorph. [[User:Galehar|Galehar]] 15:19, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

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		+	== Stack shock by dipping inventory? ==
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	I got a message about 300 rocks shuddering when I dipped them into a potion of polymorph. Is the following really true?		I got a message about 300 rocks shuddering when I dipped them into a potion of polymorph. Is the following really true?
	: "Also note that if you polymorph an object in your inventory by dipping it in a potion of polymorph, it won't get a system shock, so if you have enough potions, it's safe to try turning a pile of 300 rocks into diamonds, though if you quaff it or throw it at a monster, system shock will still apply."		: "Also note that if you polymorph an object in your inventory by dipping it in a potion of polymorph, it won't get a system shock, so if you have enough potions, it's safe to try turning a pile of 300 rocks into diamonds, though if you quaff it or throw it at a monster, system shock will still apply."

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	:rule 1: RTFP. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)		:rule 1: RTFP. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
	::The answer is that you may not have the stone to flesh spell to make meatballs. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.144\|220.255.1.144]] 08:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)		::The answer is that you may not have the stone to flesh spell to make meatballs. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.144\|220.255.1.144]] 08:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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		+	== Probability of shuddering for cursed stacks of >4 ==
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		+	If I'm reading the code correctly, cursed stack of 5 items or more will ''always'' shudder unless it resists (with 5% probability), because 3/2 == 1 in C.

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	#you'd not be polypiling food items so you wouldn't lose anything through absorption --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)		#you'd not be polypiling food items so you wouldn't lose anything through absorption --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
	:rule 1: RTFP. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)		:rule 1: RTFP. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:35, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
		+	::The answer is that you may not have the stone to flesh spell to make meatballs. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.144\|220.255.1.144]] 08:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)