Talk:Potion of unholy water - Revision history

Tjr: better curse the unihorn ...

2013-04-02T08:44:11Z

better curse the unihorn ...

Tjr: /* Cursed directly even if blessed */ gaaaaaaaa

2013-04-02T08:35:16Z

‎Cursed directly even if blessed: gaaaaaaaa

Tjr at 08:34, 2 April 2013

2013-04-02T08:34:54Z

Tjr: ::::

2013-04-02T08:34:01Z

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Tjr: how to make unholy water without violating conducts.

2013-04-02T08:32:54Z

how to make unholy water without violating conducts.

Kynde: /* fountain dipping water for unholy water is a one step process */

2013-04-02T08:07:14Z

‎fountain dipping water for unholy water is a one step process

Kynde: /* is fountain dipping water for unholy water a one or two step process when being done with holy water? */

2013-04-02T07:48:18Z

‎is fountain dipping water for unholy water a one or two step process when being done with holy water?

PeterGFin: Does thrown Unholy water cause damage to any foo?

2010-08-03T10:37:53Z

Does thrown Unholy water cause damage to any foo?

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Does this have any applications as a thrown weapon, as the inverse of holy water?--[[User:PeterGFin|PeterGFin]] 10:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

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 ::# Dig down on a fountain (near your stash and a shop) to create non-magical water. (Don't drown your pets!) Dilute those two expendable potions, and name them "uncursed".
 ::# Tour the dungeons, and at each fountain: 1) lock up pets in case you get pools, 2) ready your drum/horn in case you get snakes, and unstack the two uncursed water, 3) repeatedly #dip one of the waters into the fountain, and test whether it still stacks with the other one. Once it doesn't, you've made unholy water. Name it "cursed".
-::# Later, when you need to use it, dip a stack of plain water into the unholy water. Don't use up your last unholy water! Good things to curse are: unicorn horn (source of confusion before you forget spells), bag of holding (trash can while farming), potions of gain level for the Sanctum and emergencies, blessed alchemy input, and the Book of the Dead if you need to level up your pet purple worm fast.
+::# Later, when you need to use it, dip a stack of plain water into the unholy water. Don't use up your last unholy water! Good things to curse are: second unicorn horn (source of confusion before you forget spells), bag of holding (trash can while farming), potions of gain level for the Sanctum and emergencies, blessed alchemy input, and the Book of the Dead if you need to level up your pet purple worm fast.
-::If you're really foolhardy, you can also let spellcasting monsters curse your inventory. More info on all-conducts strategy can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/FifqgKIC6y0 --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 08:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
+::However, it's probably a better idea to dip the second unicorn horn directly, since such a game needs the potions for nutrition. If you're really foolhardy, you can also let spellcasting monsters curse your inventory. More info on all-conducts strategy can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/FifqgKIC6y0 --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 08:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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 :To answer myself, the [[Source:Ref/dipfountain]] 403-405 reveals that the chance is one in 30 and it's indeed cursed straight up even if it's holy water to begin with. (moreover, it seems that aside from dipping into holy/unholy waters, the game more often just curses on blesses no matter the original status than take it through the twostep process) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
-: The item gets cursed outright. So you could dip your BUC-identified holy water, and it either stays holy or becomes unholy. That's an option if you can afford to dilute unidentified potions early on to make a stack of holy water, i.e. you are not a pacifist and you already have holy water.
+::The item gets cursed outright. So you could dip your BUC-identified holy water, and it either stays holy or becomes unholy. That's an option if you can afford to dilute unidentified potions early on to make a stack of holy water, i.e. you are not a pacifist and you already have holy water.
 :: This is how I make unholy water without breaking any of the 12 conducts:

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 Does this have any applications as a thrown weapon, as the inverse of holy water?--[[User:PeterGFin|PeterGFin]] 10:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 Anyone happen to know if the fountain dipping for unholy water is a one or two step process when done with holy water? (This is somewhat important/relevant in illiterate and atheist games where one often has, or atleast I do, three stacks of water pots: buc id blessed, named blessed and named uncursed, but no buc id'd uncursed. So I'm just wondering if it's easier to just use one buc id'd blessed for it and keep checking inventory or use a named uncursed and see if it re-stacks with named uncurseds) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 :To answer myself, the [[Source:Ref/dipfountain]] 403-405 reveals that the chance is one in 30 and it's indeed cursed straight up even if it's holy water to begin with. (moreover, it seems that aside from dipping into holy/unholy waters, the game more often just curses on blesses no matter the original status than take it through the twostep process) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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 : The item gets cursed outright. So you could dip your BUC-identified holy water, and it either stays holy or becomes unholy. That's an option if you can afford to dilute unidentified potions early on to make a stack of holy water, i.e. you are not a pacifist and you already have holy water.
-: This is how I make unholy water without breaking any of the 12 conducts:
+:: This is how I make unholy water without breaking any of the 12 conducts:
-:# Acquire reasonably powerful pets, and some pet management tool (magic whistle, eucalyptus, leash, tin whistle, key).
+::# Acquire reasonably powerful pets, and some pet management tool (magic whistle, eucalyptus, leash, tin whistle, key).
-:# Find a [[leather drum]] or [[tooled horn]]. Alternatively, deplete their magical counterparts. This is to keep the snakes at distance until the pets arrive. You can't keep your pets nearby unless you don't mind drowning them in pools.
+::# Find a [[leather drum]] or [[tooled horn]]. Alternatively, deplete their magical counterparts. This is to keep the snakes at distance until the pets arrive. You can't keep your pets nearby unless you don't mind drowning them in pools.
-:# Work out which potions you can afford to water down, since a pacifist doesn't get death drows -- only the items found on the floor in freshly generated levels. This means [[Price identification]] and whether it's [[monster starting inventory]].
+::# Work out which potions you can afford to water down, since a pacifist doesn't get death drows -- only the items found on the floor in freshly generated levels. This means [[Price identification]] and whether it's [[monster starting inventory]].
-:# Dig down on a fountain (near your stash and a shop) to create non-magical water. (Don't drown your pets!) Dilute those two expendable potions, and name them "uncursed".
+::# Dig down on a fountain (near your stash and a shop) to create non-magical water. (Don't drown your pets!) Dilute those two expendable potions, and name them "uncursed".
-:# Tour the dungeons, and at each fountain: 1) lock up pets in case you get pools, 2) ready your drum/horn in case you get snakes, and unstack the two uncursed water, 3) repeatedly #dip one of the waters into the fountain, and test whether it still stacks with the other one. Once it doesn't, you've made unholy water. Name it "cursed".
+::# Tour the dungeons, and at each fountain: 1) lock up pets in case you get pools, 2) ready your drum/horn in case you get snakes, and unstack the two uncursed water, 3) repeatedly #dip one of the waters into the fountain, and test whether it still stacks with the other one. Once it doesn't, you've made unholy water. Name it "cursed".
-:# Later, when you need to use it, dip a stack of plain water into the unholy water. Don't use up your last unholy water! Good things to curse are: unicorn horn (source of confusion before you forget spells), bag of holding (trash can while farming), potions of gain level for the Sanctum and emergencies, blessed alchemy input, and the Book of the Dead if you need to level up your pet purple worm fast.
+::# Later, when you need to use it, dip a stack of plain water into the unholy water. Don't use up your last unholy water! Good things to curse are: unicorn horn (source of confusion before you forget spells), bag of holding (trash can while farming), potions of gain level for the Sanctum and emergencies, blessed alchemy input, and the Book of the Dead if you need to level up your pet purple worm fast.
-More info on all-conducts strategy can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/FifqgKIC6y0 --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 08:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
+::If you're really foolhardy, you can also let spellcasting monsters curse your inventory. More info on all-conducts strategy can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/FifqgKIC6y0 --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 08:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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	Anyone happen to know if the fountain dipping for unholy water is a one or two step process when done with holy water? (This is somewhat important/relevant in illiterate and atheist games where one often has, or atleast I do, three stacks of water pots: buc id blessed, named blessed and named uncursed, but no buc id'd uncursed. So I'm just wondering if it's easier to just use one buc id'd blessed for it and keep checking inventory or use a named uncursed and see if it re-stacks with named uncurseds) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)		Anyone happen to know if the fountain dipping for unholy water is a one or two step process when done with holy water? (This is somewhat important/relevant in illiterate and atheist games where one often has, or atleast I do, three stacks of water pots: buc id blessed, named blessed and named uncursed, but no buc id'd uncursed. So I'm just wondering if it's easier to just use one buc id'd blessed for it and keep checking inventory or use a named uncursed and see if it re-stacks with named uncurseds) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
	:To answer myself, the [[Source:Ref/dipfountain]] 403-405 reveals that the chance is one in 30 and it's indeed cursed straight up even if it's holy water to begin with. (moreover, it seems that aside from dipping into holy/unholy waters, the game more often just curses on blesses no matter the original status than take it through the twostep process) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)		:To answer myself, the [[Source:Ref/dipfountain]] 403-405 reveals that the chance is one in 30 and it's indeed cursed straight up even if it's holy water to begin with. (moreover, it seems that aside from dipping into holy/unholy waters, the game more often just curses on blesses no matter the original status than take it through the twostep process) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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		+	: The item gets cursed outright. So you could dip your BUC-identified holy water, and it either stays holy or becomes unholy. That's an option if you can afford to dilute unidentified potions early on to make a stack of holy water, i.e. you are not a pacifist and you already have holy water.
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		+	: This is how I make unholy water without breaking any of the 12 conducts:
		+	:# Acquire reasonably powerful pets, and some pet management tool (magic whistle, eucalyptus, leash, tin whistle, key).
		+	:# Find a [[leather drum]] or [[tooled horn]]. Alternatively, deplete their magical counterparts. This is to keep the snakes at distance until the pets arrive. You can't keep your pets nearby unless you don't mind drowning them in pools.
		+	:# Work out which potions you can afford to water down, since a pacifist doesn't get death drows -- only the items found on the floor in freshly generated levels. This means [[Price identification]] and whether it's [[monster starting inventory]].
		+	:# Dig down on a fountain (near your stash and a shop) to create non-magical water. (Don't drown your pets!) Dilute those two expendable potions, and name them "uncursed".
		+	:# Tour the dungeons, and at each fountain: 1) lock up pets in case you get pools, 2) ready your drum/horn in case you get snakes, and unstack the two uncursed water, 3) repeatedly #dip one of the waters into the fountain, and test whether it still stacks with the other one. Once it doesn't, you've made unholy water. Name it "cursed".
		+	:# Later, when you need to use it, dip a stack of plain water into the unholy water. Don't use up your last unholy water! Good things to curse are: unicorn horn (source of confusion before you forget spells), bag of holding (trash can while farming), potions of gain level for the Sanctum and emergencies, blessed alchemy input, and the Book of the Dead if you need to level up your pet purple worm fast.
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		+	More info on all-conducts strategy can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/FifqgKIC6y0 --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 08:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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	Anyone happen to know if the fountain dipping for unholy water is a one or two step process when done with holy water? (This is somewhat important/relevant in illiterate and atheist games where one often has, or atleast I do, three stacks of water pots: buc id blessed, named blessed and named uncursed, but no buc id'd uncursed. So I'm just wondering if it's easier to just use one buc id'd blessed for it and keep checking inventory or use a named uncursed and see if it re-stacks with named uncurseds) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)		Anyone happen to know if the fountain dipping for unholy water is a one or two step process when done with holy water? (This is somewhat important/relevant in illiterate and atheist games where one often has, or atleast I do, three stacks of water pots: buc id blessed, named blessed and named uncursed, but no buc id'd uncursed. So I'm just wondering if it's easier to just use one buc id'd blessed for it and keep checking inventory or use a named uncursed and see if it re-stacks with named uncurseds) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
		+	:To answer myself, the [[Source:Ref/dipfountain]] 403-405 reveals that the chance is one in 30 and it's indeed cursed straight up even if it's holy water to begin with. (moreover, it seems that aside from dipping into holy/unholy waters, the game more often just curses on blesses no matter the original status than take it through the twostep process) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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	Does this have any applications as a thrown weapon, as the inverse of holy water?--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 10:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)		Does this have any applications as a thrown weapon, as the inverse of holy water?--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 10:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	Anyone happen to know if the fountain dipping for unholy water is a one or two step process when done with holy water? (This is somewhat important/relevant in illiterate and atheist games where one often has, or atleast I do, three stacks of water pots: buc id blessed, named blessed and named uncursed, but no buc id'd uncursed. So I'm just wondering if it's easier to just use one buc id'd blessed for it and keep checking inventory or use a named uncursed and see if it re-stacks with named uncurseds) --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)