Talk:Pyrolisk - Revision history

Tjr: I hate it when my sig doesn't get expanded

2011-01-06T03:20:27Z

I hate it when my sig doesn't get expanded

Tjr: nemesis does not attack despite conflict unless woken up

2011-01-06T03:19:47Z

nemesis does not attack despite conflict unless woken up

FJH: A pacifist samurai? what's that?

2011-01-03T16:55:03Z

A pacifist samurai? what's that?

Tjr: master kaen + pet pyrolisk?

2011-01-02T13:45:36Z

master kaen + pet pyrolisk?

FJH: /* As a pet */

2011-01-02T06:15:30Z

‎As a pet

Tjr: /* As a pet */

2011-01-02T00:12:44Z

‎As a pet

Tjr: why pyrolisks are bad pets

2011-01-02T00:11:24Z

why pyrolisks are bad pets

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==As a pet==
I think pyrolisks are bad pets, and the corresponding section should be curtailed.
* Assasinating friendlies is an advantage all pets enjoy, and there are more effective choices.
* If the hero can't kill something, a pyrolisk won't help either. So the strategy advice reduces to "lock it up always", which really means "dump your pet pyrolisk".
* Factual error: Their gazes does miss, you just don't get a message. Wiz-test it with a peaceful elf lord and a stethoscope.
* Bad loot is a moot point because the only scrolls monsters ever get are teleport and create monster, and potions are mostly healing ones. Don'c onfuse this with [[death drop]]s - they are created only after the player himself kills the monster.
* Your magic whistle is a very effective weapon with 4-7 archons, balrogs, master mind flayers, jabberwocks, vampires etc attached. Blowing it kills any early/mid-game monster before it can scratch you. Due to its weak gaze attack, a pet pyrolisk dilutes the squad and makes it unrealiable.
* Factual error: they never attack your quest leader or peacefuls unless confused or conflicted.
* Pyrolisks still obey the usual XP levels rules for attacking monsters. For example, they aren't exotic enough to gaze on the Wizard of Yendor. See [[Pacifist#High_level_monsters]] why you would bother.

In the end, it boils down to:
: ''A pet pyrolisk has the unique advantage that its gaze attack will not provoke counterattack or wake up sleeping monsters. Since its d12 damage is insignificant, any good general-purpose pet is better.''
If nobody speaks up, I'll update the article.--[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]

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 : Conflict would risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit a pyrolisk possesses.  I can see no problem with wraith corpses; the more, the merrier.
 : I haven't played samurai in a while but I can see where it might be uniquely useful against the [[Tsurugi of Muramasa]]: move your pet pyrolisk away from the up stair, monopolize the up stairs with a boulder fort, and alert Ashikaga from a distance somehow, drawing him into visual range of your pet.  It sounds effective but at the same time very inefficient.  --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 16:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Conflict does not risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit as long as the quest nemesis is meditating, and it stays meditating despite the gaze attack. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]
+::Conflict does not risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit as long as the quest nemesis is meditating, and it stays meditating despite the gaze attack. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 03:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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	: Conflict would risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit a pyrolisk possesses. I can see no problem with wraith corpses; the more, the merrier.		: Conflict would risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit a pyrolisk possesses. I can see no problem with wraith corpses; the more, the merrier.
	: I haven't played samurai in a while but I can see where it might be uniquely useful against the [[Tsurugi of Muramasa]]: move your pet pyrolisk away from the up stair, monopolize the up stairs with a boulder fort, and alert Ashikaga from a distance somehow, drawing him into visual range of your pet. It sounds effective but at the same time very inefficient. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 16:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC)		: I haven't played samurai in a while but I can see where it might be uniquely useful against the [[Tsurugi of Muramasa]]: move your pet pyrolisk away from the up stair, monopolize the up stairs with a boulder fort, and alert Ashikaga from a distance somehow, drawing him into visual range of your pet. It sounds effective but at the same time very inefficient. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 16:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	::Conflict does not risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit as long as the quest nemesis is meditating, and it stays meditating despite the gaze attack. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]]

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	If you use conflict or wraith corpses, does a pet pyrolisk make a viable (pacifist) strategy for [[Master Kaen]], [[Ashikaga_Takauji]], or other tough nemeses? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)		If you use conflict or wraith corpses, does a pet pyrolisk make a viable (pacifist) strategy for [[Master Kaen]], [[Ashikaga_Takauji]], or other tough nemeses? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	: Conflict would risk the "never be counterattacked" benefit a pyrolisk possesses. I can see no problem with wraith corpses; the more, the merrier.
		+	: I haven't played samurai in a while but I can see where it might be uniquely useful against the [[Tsurugi of Muramasa]]: move your pet pyrolisk away from the up stair, monopolize the up stairs with a boulder fort, and alert Ashikaga from a distance somehow, drawing him into visual range of your pet. It sounds effective but at the same time very inefficient. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 16:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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	If nobody speaks up, I'll update the article.--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]]		If nobody speaks up, I'll update the article.--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]]
	: I'll make that edit voluntarily for now. If I'm absolutely wrong, I expect to be corrected. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 06:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)		: I'll make that edit voluntarily for now. If I'm absolutely wrong, I expect to be corrected. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 06:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	I'm sorry for the tone - I was angry for unrelated reasons last night.
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		+	If you use conflict or wraith corpses, does a pet pyrolisk make a viable (pacifist) strategy for [[Master Kaen]], [[Ashikaga_Takauji]], or other tough nemeses? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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	: ''A pet pyrolisk has the unique advantage that its gaze attack will not provoke counterattack or wake up sleeping monsters. Since its d12 damage is insignificant, any good general-purpose pet is better.''		: ''A pet pyrolisk has the unique advantage that its gaze attack will not provoke counterattack or wake up sleeping monsters. Since its d12 damage is insignificant, any good general-purpose pet is better.''
	If nobody speaks up, I'll update the article.--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]]		If nobody speaks up, I'll update the article.--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]]
		+	: I'll make that edit voluntarily for now. If I'm absolutely wrong, I expect to be corrected. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 06:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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 ==As a pet==
-I think pyrolisks are bad pets, and the corresponding section should be curtailed.
+I think pyrolisks make bad pets, and the corresponding section should be curtailed.
 * Assasinating friendlies is an advantage all pets enjoy, and there are more effective choices.
 * If the hero can't kill something, a pyrolisk won't help either. So the strategy advice reduces to "lock it up always", which really means "dump your pet pyrolisk".
 * Factual error: Their gazes does miss, you just don't get a message. Wiz-test it with a peaceful elf lord and a stethoscope.
 * Bad loot is a moot point because the only scrolls monsters ever get are teleport and create monster, and potions are mostly healing ones. Don'c onfuse this with [[death drop]]s - they are created only after the player himself kills the monster.
-* Your magic whistle is a very effective weapon with 4-7 archons, balrogs, master mind flayers, jabberwocks, vampires etc attached. Blowing it kills any early/mid-game monster before it can scratch you. Due to its weak gaze attack, a pet pyrolisk dilutes the squad and makes it unrealiable.
+* Your magic whistle is a very effective weapon with 4-7 archons, balrogs, master mind flayers, jabberwocks, vampires etc attached. Blowing it kills any early/mid-game enemy before it can scratch you. Due to its weak gaze attack, a pet pyrolisk dilutes the squad and makes it unrealiable.
 * Factual error: they never attack your quest leader or peacefuls unless confused or conflicted.
 * Pyrolisks still obey the usual XP levels rules for attacking monsters. For example, they aren't exotic enough to gaze on the Wizard of Yendor. See [[Pacifist#High_level_monsters]] why you would bother.