Talk:Quest - Revision history

Grouchy at 17:55, 11 June 2025

2025-06-11T17:55:13Z

Umbire the Phantom: /* Quest strategies in level descriptions /

2022-08-26T16:27:57Z

‎Quest strategies in level descriptions: *

Darth l33t: /* Quest strategies in level descriptions */ new section

2022-08-26T16:14:32Z

‎Quest strategies in level descriptions: new section

Actual-nh: /* Killing your quest leader */ Grammar/style

2021-05-29T00:12:44Z

‎Killing your quest leader: Grammar/style

Actual-nh: /* Killing your quest leader */ Possible non-divine/alignment penalties if needed

2021-05-29T00:07:46Z

‎Killing your quest leader: Possible non-divine/alignment penalties if needed

Actual-nh: /* Killing your quest leader */ Quest artifact alignment

2021-05-28T22:40:34Z

‎Killing your quest leader: Quest artifact alignment

Actual-nh: /* Killing your quest leader */ Gameplay reason

2021-05-28T22:38:39Z

‎Killing your quest leader: Gameplay reason

Actual-nh: /* Killing your quest leader */ Talking about alignment change forcing killing

2021-05-28T22:33:42Z

‎Killing your quest leader: Talking about alignment change forcing killing

Darth l33t: /* Killing your quest leader */

2021-05-28T22:21:29Z

‎Killing your quest leader

Actual-nh: /* Killing your quest leader */ If alignment changed, deity also changes - so why would said deity get angry?

2021-05-28T22:00:47Z

‎Killing your quest leader: If alignment changed, deity also changes - so why would said deity get angry?

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		+	== Pacifying a Quest Leader ==
		+	In addition to information on killing a quest leader, maybe information on angering a quest leader. --[[User:Grouchy\|Grouchy]] ([[User talk:Grouchy\|talk]]) 17:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)I accidentally attacked an invisible guardian before starting the quest. Everyone got grumpy. I've since pacified all the guardian's and the quest leader, but I still can't start the quest - I've lured him back into the throne room and pacified him, he shows as peaceful, and a stethoscope shows me as piously neutral, but he doesn't initiate checking if I'm quest eligible and if I try to #chat with him he gets angry.... so is this unwinnable?
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	I think this page should have links to the individual pages for all of the role quests, e.g. the [[Valkyrie quest]]. Maybe we could put them in the table of Quest leaders and Nemeses, possibly replacing the links to the role pages. Maybe they could go in their own table/section, though it might be awkward that way. I could just make the changes myself, but I thought it would be good to get input from the community. Thoughts? (Dis)Approval? --[[User:Andronikus\|Andronikus]] 17:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)		I think this page should have links to the individual pages for all of the role quests, e.g. the [[Valkyrie quest]]. Maybe we could put them in the table of Quest leaders and Nemeses, possibly replacing the links to the role pages. Maybe they could go in their own table/section, though it might be awkward that way. I could just make the changes myself, but I thought it would be good to get input from the community. Thoughts? (Dis)Approval? --[[User:Andronikus\|Andronikus]] 17:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
	:Absolutely. The role links are what I first clicked on when I wanted the quest articles, and I still don't know how anyone is supposed to be linked to them.--[[User:Afterward\|Afterward]] 00:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)		:Absolutely. The role links are what I first clicked on when I wanted the quest articles, and I still don't know how anyone is supposed to be linked to them.--[[User:Afterward\|Afterward]] 00:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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	The Rogue Quest in particular has an extensive writeup in the Rogue article. I'll move that to the Rogue Quest strategy section with a link in its former location. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 16:14, 26 August 2022 (UTC)		The Rogue Quest in particular has an extensive writeup in the Rogue article. I'll move that to the Rogue Quest strategy section with a link in its former location. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 16:14, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:I agree but don't feel AS strongly about it to ask for an immediate change - the Rogue quest is also an exceptional case in my opinion, considering it's unlikely you'll intuit the "intended" strategy (phasing using controlled polymorph into xorn or earth elemental) withOUT some level of spoiler like the article provides. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 16:27, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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	:As far as I know that's just a complete fabrication. [[User:Wooble\|Wooble]] ([[User talk:Wooble\|talk]]) 16:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)		:As far as I know that's just a complete fabrication. [[User:Wooble\|Wooble]] ([[User talk:Wooble\|talk]]) 16:43, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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		+	== Quest strategies in level descriptions ==
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		+	Some of the individual Quest pages have had strategy tips added to the individual level descriptions, e.g. in the Priest Quest locate level warning of losing magic resistance. Although this is useful info, I strongly believe that strategies should come after objective descriptions (but before variant info). I think there are many players who just want to learn the layout and mechanics of the game in order to figure out their ''own'' strategies, and having them in the main body of the article spoils their fun. So if no one objects, I'll move the strategy tips to separate sections at the ends of the articles.
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		+	The Rogue Quest in particular has an extensive writeup in the Rogue article. I'll move that to the Rogue Quest strategy section with a link in its former location. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 16:14, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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 ::: Re gameplay: Quite a few variants have already reduced or eliminated the minimum level for the quest, including at least one of those this change is taken from (xNetHack). Moreover, changing alignment will cause problems with using said quest artifact. -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
-::: Also re gameplay: If some further penalty is needed, then something like adjusting what Luck times out to (and making sure good luck always times out in this instance, as per xNetHack) and/or adding aggravate monster (and possibly removing stealth) as per cannibalism. -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 00:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
+::: Also re gameplay: If some further penalty is needed, then do something like adjusting what Luck times out to (and making sure good luck always times out in this instance, as per xNetHack) and/or adding aggravate monster (and possibly removing stealth) as per cannibalism. -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 00:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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	::: Re gameplay: Quite a few variants have already reduced or eliminated the minimum level for the quest, including at least one of those this change is taken from (xNetHack). Moreover, changing alignment will cause problems with using said quest artifact. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)		::: Re gameplay: Quite a few variants have already reduced or eliminated the minimum level for the quest, including at least one of those this change is taken from (xNetHack). Moreover, changing alignment will cause problems with using said quest artifact. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	::: Also re gameplay: If some further penalty is needed, then something like adjusting what Luck times out to (and making sure good luck always times out in this instance, as per xNetHack) and/or adding aggravate monster (and possibly removing stealth) as per cannibalism. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 00:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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 ::: I can see that viewpoint, although I'm talking about specifically when the reason for the killing is because of a change in alignment '''making any other means of completing the quest impossible without changing the alignment back.''' The new deity hardly has an incentive to get the character to revert to the old alignment! -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 22:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
-::: Re gameplay: Quite a few variants have already reduced or eliminated the minimum level for the quest, including at least one of those this change is taken from (xNetHack). -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
+::: Re gameplay: Quite a few variants have already reduced or eliminated the minimum level for the quest, including at least one of those this change is taken from (xNetHack). Moreover, changing alignment will cause problems with using said quest artifact. -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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	::: I can see that viewpoint, although I'm talking about specifically when the reason for the killing is because of a change in alignment '''making any other means of completing the quest impossible without changing the alignment back.''' The new deity hardly has an incentive to get the character to revert to the old alignment! -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)		::: I can see that viewpoint, although I'm talking about specifically when the reason for the killing is because of a change in alignment '''making any other means of completing the quest impossible without changing the alignment back.''' The new deity hardly has an incentive to get the character to revert to the old alignment! -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	::: Re gameplay: Quite a few variants have already reduced or eliminated the minimum level for the quest, including at least one of those this change is taken from (xNetHack). -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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 : (Well, it now does.) If you've changed alignment, you've changed deities. So why is your new deity offended at your killing a quest leader? This makes the least sense when you've changed from lawful to chaotic and just killed a lawfully-aligned quest leader (e.g., King Arthur). Why would a chaotic deity be upset? -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]])
 :: Gameplay reason: there need to be severe repercussions for skipping the normal requirements of the Quest. Plenty of Rogues and Wizards would jump at the chance to tackle their wimpy nemesis and claim their awesome quest artifact at level 10 or even lower; this needs to be discouraged for balance. Lore reason: "chaotic" is not "evil", and even chaotics have standards. Abusing Elbereth, sacrificing former pets, and various other things are frowned upon even by chaotic gods. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t|talk]]) 22:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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	: (Well, it now does.) If you've changed alignment, you've changed deities. So why is your new deity offended at your killing a quest leader? This makes the least sense when you've changed from lawful to chaotic and just killed a lawfully-aligned quest leader (e.g., King Arthur). Why would a chaotic deity be upset? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]])		: (Well, it now does.) If you've changed alignment, you've changed deities. So why is your new deity offended at your killing a quest leader? This makes the least sense when you've changed from lawful to chaotic and just killed a lawfully-aligned quest leader (e.g., King Arthur). Why would a chaotic deity be upset? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]])
		+	:: Gameplay reason: there need to be severe repercussions for skipping the normal requirements of the Quest. Plenty of Rogues and Wizards would jump at the chance to tackle their wimpy nemesis and claim their awesome quest artifact at level 10 or even lower; this needs to be discouraged for balance. Lore reason: "chaotic" is not "evil", and even chaotics have standards. Abusing Elbereth, sacrificing former pets, and various other things are frowned upon even by chaotic gods. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 22:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

	== Returning to quest after completion ==		== Returning to quest after completion ==

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	This page should describe the consequences of killing your quest leader (before and after going on the quest). [[User:Supermagle\|Supermagle]] 19:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)		This page should describe the consequences of killing your quest leader (before and after going on the quest). [[User:Supermagle\|Supermagle]] 19:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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		+	: (Well, it now does.) If you've changed alignment, you've changed deities. So why is your new deity offended at your killing a quest leader? This makes the least sense when you've changed from lawful to chaotic and just killed a lawfully-aligned quest leader (e.g., King Arthur). Why would a chaotic deity be upset? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]])

	== Returning to quest after completion ==		== Returning to quest after completion ==