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Furey: SLASH'EM -> Source:SLASH'EM

2024-06-29T14:56:17Z

SLASH'EM -> Source:SLASH'EM

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	Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
	:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
	::Double, actually, and same with samurai. Only barbarians get tripled prices. The note in the source code ([[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/shk.c#line2347]]) says that rogues are untrustworthy, samurai are from out of town, and barbarians are gullible. Of course the real reason is game balance - rogues are majorly buffed in SLASH'EM (AC bonus from high dex, Bat from Hell), and samurai and barbarians are simply unweakened strong roles (unlike valkyries, whose long sword became a spear). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)		::Double, actually, and same with samurai. Only barbarians get tripled prices. The note in the source code ([[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/shk.c#line2347]]) says that rogues are untrustworthy, samurai are from out of town, and barbarians are gullible. Of course the real reason is game balance - rogues are majorly buffed in SLASH'EM (AC bonus from high dex, Bat from Hell), and samurai and barbarians are simply unweakened strong roles (unlike valkyries, whose long sword became a spear). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

	== Shot limitation prefix ==		== Shot limitation prefix ==

Cherokee Jack: Putting cut 'Weapon options' section here; feel free to re-insert if you find a better place for it

2017-04-01T20:30:27Z

Putting cut 'Weapon options' section here; feel free to re-insert if you find a better place for it

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Ephialtis: /* Shot limitation prefix */ new section

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Shot limitation prefix: new section

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	:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
	::Double, actually, and same with samurai. Only barbarians get tripled prices. The note in the source code ([[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/shk.c#line2347]]) says that rogues are untrustworthy, samurai are from out of town, and barbarians are gullible. Of course the real reason is game balance - rogues are majorly buffed in SLASH'EM (AC bonus from high dex, Bat from Hell), and samurai and barbarians are simply unweakened strong roles (unlike valkyries, whose long sword became a spear). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)		::Double, actually, and same with samurai. Only barbarians get tripled prices. The note in the source code ([[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/shk.c#line2347]]) says that rogues are untrustworthy, samurai are from out of town, and barbarians are gullible. Of course the real reason is game balance - rogues are majorly buffed in SLASH'EM (AC bonus from high dex, Bat from Hell), and samurai and barbarians are simply unweakened strong roles (unlike valkyries, whose long sword became a spear). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

			== Shot limitation prefix ==

			The article mentions this -- but searching for it leads only to this page, and I can't find it described anywhere. If it ''is'' explained somewhere, could it be liked to? --[[User:Ephialtis\|Ephialtis]] ([[User talk:Ephialtis\|talk]]) 23:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Ion frigate at 08:47, 7 May 2011

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	Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
	:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
			::Double, actually, and same with samurai. Only barbarians get tripled prices. The note in the source code ([[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/shk.c#line2347]]) says that rogues are untrustworthy, samurai are from out of town, and barbarians are gullible. Of course the real reason is game balance - rogues are majorly buffed in SLASH'EM (AC bonus from high dex, Bat from Hell), and samurai and barbarians are simply unweakened strong roles (unlike valkyries, whose long sword became a spear). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Qazmlpok: /* SLASH'EM shopping */

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SLASH'EM shopping

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	Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
			:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

AileTheAlien: /* SLASH'EM shopping */ new section

2011-05-06T05:43:18Z

SLASH'EM shopping: new section

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	:Rogues don't start with any gold in vanilla. Are you playing a variant? --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 07:06, June 30, 2010 (UTC)		:Rogues don't start with any gold in vanilla. Are you playing a variant? --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 07:06, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
	::Indeed I am, sorry about that. -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 23:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)		::Indeed I am, sorry about that. -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 23:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

			== SLASH'EM shopping ==

			Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

AlphaPikachu578: /* Starting gold */

2010-06-30T23:37:22Z

Starting gold

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	== Starting gold ==		== Starting gold ==
	I noticed that the amount of gold a rogue starts with isn't listed here like it is on the [[Tourist]] page. From my experience, it appears to be 1000-2000, could anyone confirm this? -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 04:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)		I noticed that the amount of gold a rogue starts with isn't listed here like it is on the [[Tourist]] page. From my experience, it appears to be 1000-2000, could anyone confirm this? -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 04:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
	:Rogues don't start with any gold in vanilla. Are you playing a variant? --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 07:06, June 30, 2010 (UTC)		:Rogues don't start with any gold in vanilla. Are you playing a variant? --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 07:06, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
			::Indeed I am, sorry about that. -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 23:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Darth l33t: /* Starting gold */

2010-06-30T07:06:35Z

Starting gold

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	== Starting gold ==		== Starting gold ==
	I noticed that the amount of gold a rogue starts with isn't listed here like it is on the [[Tourist]] page. From my experience, it appears to be 1000-2000, could anyone confirm this? -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 04:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)		I noticed that the amount of gold a rogue starts with isn't listed here like it is on the [[Tourist]] page. From my experience, it appears to be 1000-2000, could anyone confirm this? -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 04:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
			:Rogues don't start with any gold in vanilla. Are you playing a variant? --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 07:06, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

AlphaPikachu578 at 04:45, 30 June 2010

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	i just started rogue and i got blessed '''short sword''' - so i guess there is that 5% chance for being blessed too... {{unsigned\|147.229.178.176\|9 February 2009}}		i just started rogue and i got blessed '''short sword''' - so i guess there is that 5% chance for being blessed too... {{unsigned\|147.229.178.176\|9 February 2009}}

	I removed the strategy of waking the MA with a mind flayer blast. The blast has a range of only seven, so no matter where you stand in the up-stairs room, he'll be out of reach.--[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 01:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)		I removed the strategy of waking the MA with a mind flayer blast. The blast has a range of only seven, so no matter where you stand in the up-stairs room, he'll be out of reach.--[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 01:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

	== Using a mind blast ==		== Using a mind blast ==
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	All of the spots marked 'M' should be within range. Unless I'm miscounting, all are within a 7x7 square. The solitary M is where I did it in both wiz mode and in my one real game, so I know that one will work. All are within the block that has neither the assassin nor the upstairs, so you can dig a hole in the floor above and keep dropping down until you end up in either the assassin's block or the other block. I was fortunate enough to have a polymorph trap that I used to get a tame mind flayer and just got it as close to the marked position on the wiki's map as possible, and he suddenly attacked me. It certainly works. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:06, October 8, 2009 (UTC)		All of the spots marked 'M' should be within range. Unless I'm miscounting, all are within a 7x7 square. The solitary M is where I did it in both wiz mode and in my one real game, so I know that one will work. All are within the block that has neither the assassin nor the upstairs, so you can dig a hole in the floor above and keep dropping down until you end up in either the assassin's block or the other block. I was fortunate enough to have a polymorph trap that I used to get a tame mind flayer and just got it as close to the marked position on the wiki's map as possible, and he suddenly attacked me. It certainly works. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:06, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

			== Starting gold ==
			I noticed that the amount of gold a rogue starts with isn't listed here like it is on the [[Tourist]] page. From my experience, it appears to be 1000-2000, could anyone confirm this? -[[User:AlphaPikachu578\|AlphaPikachu578]] 04:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Qazmlpok at 23:06, 8 October 2009

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	I removed the strategy of waking the MA with a mind flayer blast. The blast has a range of only seven, so no matter where you stand in the up-stairs room, he'll be out of reach.--[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 01:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)		I removed the strategy of waking the MA with a mind flayer blast. The blast has a range of only seven, so no matter where you stand in the up-stairs room, he'll be out of reach.--[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 01:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

			== Using a mind blast ==
			I was able to alert the nemesis of my presence both in game and again in wizard mode. It is very possible.

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			\|............--........\|...\| \|..............--.....}}.}}........----------S\|
			\|.............\|........\|..%\| \|..............\|M.....}}}}}}}}......\|...\|.....\|
			\|S-.---.---.--\|.---.---\|...\| \|-----------...--........}}.}}.....-\|..---....\|
			\|.--\|.---.--\|.---.-S-..\|---\| \|.MMM\|.....\|....--....}}}}}}}}....--\|..S.---..\|
			\|...\|.......\|..........\|...---.MMM---...S.....\|-...}}}}}}}}...--.S..\|...\|..\|
			\|...\|..\|....\|..........\|.......MMMMM\|..-\|..------.....}}.....--..\|--\|...\|S-\|
			\|...\|---....\|---.......\|----- .MMMMM\|...\|--\| --....}}....--...\|..--.--..\|
			-----.....---.....--.---....--...--------..\| --........--....\|.........\|
			\|.............\|..........\|.............S... -S-------\|.....\|..-----..\|
			---------------------------------------- ...... ---------- ----

			All of the spots marked 'M' should be within range. Unless I'm miscounting, all are within a 7x7 square. The solitary M is where I did it in both wiz mode and in my one real game, so I know that one will work. All are within the block that has neither the assassin nor the upstairs, so you can dig a hole in the floor above and keep dropping down until you end up in either the assassin's block or the other block. I was fortunate enough to have a polymorph trap that I used to get a tame mind flayer and just got it as close to the marked position on the wiki's map as possible, and he suddenly attacked me. It certainly works. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:06, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

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	Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		Playing SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F3, noticing that costs in shops appear to be a lot more than most other characters I play. I have 8 CHA, but the costs seem to be even further out of whack. Do rogues get bumped up a cost level in SLASH'EM? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
	:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)		:Yes, they do. Triple markup, I believe. Barbarians and Samurai get similar (if not identical) treatment. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
			::Double, actually, and same with samurai. Only barbarians get tripled prices. The note in the source code ([[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/shk.c#line2347]]) says that rogues are untrustworthy, samurai are from out of town, and barbarians are gullible. Of course the real reason is game balance - rogues are majorly buffed in SLASH'EM (AC bonus from high dex, Bat from Hell), and samurai and barbarians are simply unweakened strong roles (unlike valkyries, whose long sword became a spear). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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	I removed the strategy of waking the MA with a mind flayer blast. The blast has a range of only seven, so no matter where you stand in the up-stairs room, he'll be out of reach.--[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 01:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)		I removed the strategy of waking the MA with a mind flayer blast. The blast has a range of only seven, so no matter where you stand in the up-stairs room, he'll be out of reach.--[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 01:52, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

			== Using a mind blast ==
			I was able to alert the nemesis of my presence both in game and again in wizard mode. It is very possible.

			----- -------.......................................-------------------
			\|...\| ----\|.....\|.......................................\|.................\|
			\|...\|---...\|.....\|.......................................\|....---------....\|
			\|.---......---..--.................................-----------\|.......\|....\|
			\|...............\|..................................\|..\|...\|...----........--
			\|.....-----....--.................................--..--..--.....----S----\|
			\|--S---...\|....\|.................................--........--....\|........\|
			\|.........---------..................^..........--....}}....--...\|...\|....\|
			\|....\|.....S......\|............................--.....}}.....--..--.------\|
			\|-----.....--.....\|...........................--...}}}}}}}}...--....\|.....--
			\|...........--....------S-----........x......--....}}}}}}}}....--..........\|
			\|............--........\|...\| \|..............--.....}}.}}........----------S\|
			\|.............\|........\|..%\| \|..............\|M.....}}}}}}}}......\|...\|.....\|
			\|S-.---.---.--\|.---.---\|...\| \|-----------...--........}}.}}.....-\|..---....\|
			\|.--\|.---.--\|.---.-S-..\|---\| \|.MMM\|.....\|....--....}}}}}}}}....--\|..S.---..\|
			\|...\|.......\|..........\|...---.MMM---...S.....\|-...}}}}}}}}...--.S..\|...\|..\|
			\|...\|..\|....\|..........\|.......MMMMM\|..-\|..------.....}}.....--..\|--\|...\|S-\|
			\|...\|---....\|---.......\|----- .MMMMM\|...\|--\| --....}}....--...\|..--.--..\|
			-----.....---.....--.---....--...--------..\| --........--....\|.........\|
			\|.............\|..........\|.............S... -S-------\|.....\|..-----..\|
			---------------------------------------- ...... ---------- ----

			All of the spots marked 'M' should be within range. Unless I'm miscounting, all are within a 7x7 square. The solitary M is where I did it in both wiz mode and in my one real game, so I know that one will work. All are within the block that has neither the assassin nor the upstairs, so you can dig a hole in the floor above and keep dropping down until you end up in either the assassin's block or the other block. I was fortunate enough to have a polymorph trap that I used to get a tame mind flayer and just got it as close to the marked position on the wiki's map as possible, and he suddenly attacked me. It certainly works. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:06, October 8, 2009 (UTC)