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		<title>Bulwersator: /* Troll corpses */ ::I also agree, after reading old version I thought that it means that trolls will rise despite leaving no corpse ~~~~</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-02T09:02:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Troll corpses: &lt;/span&gt; ::I also agree, after reading old version I thought that it means that trolls will rise despite leaving no corpse ~~~~&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l12&quot; &gt;Line 12:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Given the absence of discussion, I readded the clarification, but generalized it a bit; another source would be a wished-for troll corpse, for example. (A troll wish in more than one way, but what matters is that it ''can'' happen – &amp;quot;bring along&amp;quot; seems to imply it had been somewhere else before and it came to the level with the player.) I agree on the misunderstandability of the shortened version. —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&amp;amp;nbsp;|&amp;amp;nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Given the absence of discussion, I readded the clarification, but generalized it a bit; another source would be a wished-for troll corpse, for example. (A troll wish in more than one way, but what matters is that it ''can'' happen – &amp;quot;bring along&amp;quot; seems to imply it had been somewhere else before and it came to the level with the player.) I agree on the misunderstandability of the shortened version. —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&amp;amp;nbsp;|&amp;amp;nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::I also agree, after reading old version I thought that it means that trolls will rise despite leaving no corpse [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 09:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Bcode: /* Troll corpses */ Reclarified.</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-02T06:38:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Troll corpses: &lt;/span&gt; Reclarified.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If there is no discussion here until June 7, I am going to reinsert my clarification. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 18:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If there is no discussion here until June 7, I am going to reinsert my clarification. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 18:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:Given the absence of discussion, I readded the clarification, but generalized it a bit; another source would be a wished-for troll corpse, for example. (A troll wish in more than one way, but what matters is that it ''can'' happen – &amp;quot;bring along&amp;quot; seems to imply it had been somewhere else before and it came to the level with the player.) I agree on the misunderstandability of the shortened version. —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&amp;amp;nbsp;|&amp;amp;nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tjr: /* Troll corpses */</title>
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		<updated>2012-05-30T18:29:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Troll corpses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l7&quot; &gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Troll corpses ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Troll corpses ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Somebody removed my clarification: &amp;quot;[[Troll]]s, however, will still rise if you bring along their corpse.&amp;quot; Due to [[Source:Mon.c#line1548]], trolls never leave a corpse on the Rogue level. So the only source of troll corpses is the player (or his pets) who might carry one. I believe the short version &amp;quot;however, will still rise&amp;quot; is prone to misunderstandings:  somebody could think trolls are an exception that leaves corpses.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Somebody removed my clarification: &amp;quot;[[Troll]]s, however, will still rise if you bring along their corpse.&amp;quot; Due to [[Source:Mon.c#line1548]], trolls never leave a corpse on the Rogue level. So the only source of troll corpses is the player (or his pets) who might carry one. I believe the short version &amp;quot;however, &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;trolls &lt;/ins&gt;will still rise&amp;quot; is prone to misunderstandings:  somebody could think trolls are an exception that leaves corpses.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If there is discussion here until June 7, I am going to reinsert my clarification. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 18:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If there is &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;no &lt;/ins&gt;discussion here until June 7, I am going to reinsert my clarification. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 18:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tjr: /* Troll corpses */ new section</title>
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		<updated>2012-05-30T18:28:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Troll corpses: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm surprised that you even saw a +; real doors aren't supposed to appear on the Rogue level.  Perhaps the DevTeam needs to know.——[[User:Ray Chason|Ray Chason]] 05:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm surprised that you even saw a +; real doors aren't supposed to appear on the Rogue level.  Perhaps the DevTeam needs to know.——[[User:Ray Chason|Ray Chason]] 05:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::It's [[bug]] C343-34. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::It's [[bug]] C343-34. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Troll corpses ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Somebody removed my clarification: &amp;quot;[[Troll]]s, however, will still rise if you bring along their corpse.&amp;quot; Due to [[Source:Mon.c#line1548]], trolls never leave a corpse on the Rogue level. So the only source of troll corpses is the player (or his pets) who might carry one. I believe the short version &amp;quot;however, will still rise&amp;quot; is prone to misunderstandings:  somebody could think trolls are an exception that leaves corpses. &lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;If there is discussion here until June 7, I am going to reinsert my clarification. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 18:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tjr</name></author>
		
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	<entry>
		<id>https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Rogue_level&amp;diff=75248&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Tjr: C343-34</title>
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		<updated>2011-12-11T11:39:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;C343-34&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 11:39, 11 December 2011&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot; &gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odd thing happened on the Rogue level today.  I tried to open a + door and received the message, &amp;quot;The door actually was a small mimic!&amp;quot; The mimic was then portrayed by the lower-case &amp;quot;m&amp;quot;, something I had not thought possible with the Rogue level. Is it possible that this was a mimic which had fallen in a hole in the level above or something equally unexpected, or did the game actually spawn a lower-case monster? [[User:Delbow|Delbow]] 03:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odd thing happened on the Rogue level today.  I tried to open a + door and received the message, &amp;quot;The door actually was a small mimic!&amp;quot; The mimic was then portrayed by the lower-case &amp;quot;m&amp;quot;, something I had not thought possible with the Rogue level. Is it possible that this was a mimic which had fallen in a hole in the level above or something equally unexpected, or did the game actually spawn a lower-case monster? [[User:Delbow|Delbow]] 03:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm surprised that you even saw a +; real doors aren't supposed to appear on the Rogue level.  Perhaps the DevTeam needs to know.——[[User:Ray Chason|Ray Chason]] 05:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I'm surprised that you even saw a +; real doors aren't supposed to appear on the Rogue level.  Perhaps the DevTeam needs to know.——[[User:Ray Chason|Ray Chason]] 05:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::It's [[bug]] C343-34. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tjr</name></author>
		
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	<entry>
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		<title>Ray Chason: No real doors on the Rogue level</title>
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		<updated>2011-12-11T05:13:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;No real doors on the Rogue level&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 05:13, 11 December 2011&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l2&quot; &gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odd thing happened on the Rogue level today.  I tried to open a + door and received the message, &amp;quot;The door actually was a small mimic!&amp;quot; The mimic was then portrayed by the lower-case &amp;quot;m&amp;quot;, something I had not thought possible with the Rogue level. Is it possible that this was a mimic which had fallen in a hole in the level above or something equally unexpected, or did the game actually spawn a lower-case monster? [[User:Delbow|Delbow]] 03:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odd thing happened on the Rogue level today.  I tried to open a + door and received the message, &amp;quot;The door actually was a small mimic!&amp;quot; The mimic was then portrayed by the lower-case &amp;quot;m&amp;quot;, something I had not thought possible with the Rogue level. Is it possible that this was a mimic which had fallen in a hole in the level above or something equally unexpected, or did the game actually spawn a lower-case monster? [[User:Delbow|Delbow]] 03:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:I'm surprised that you even saw a +; real doors aren't supposed to appear on the Rogue level.  Perhaps the DevTeam needs to know.——[[User:Ray Chason|Ray Chason]] 05:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Ray Chason</name></author>
		
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		<title>Delbow: lower-case rogue monster?</title>
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		<updated>2011-12-11T03:09:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;lower-case rogue monster?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Lower case monsters?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Odd thing happened on the Rogue level today.  I tried to open a + door and received the message, &amp;quot;The door actually was a small mimic!&amp;quot; The mimic was then portrayed by the lower-case &amp;quot;m&amp;quot;, something I had not thought possible with the Rogue level. Is it possible that this was a mimic which had fallen in a hole in the level above or something equally unexpected, or did the game actually spawn a lower-case monster? [[User:Delbow|Delbow]] 03:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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