Talk:Sandestin - Revision history

Tjr: shapeshifters wield cockatrice corpses just fine.

2010-02-23T19:01:27Z

shapeshifters wield cockatrice corpses just fine.

Tjr: sandestin: stone + stone-to-flesh to make the morph permanent

2010-02-23T18:16:21Z

sandestin: stone + stone-to-flesh to make the morph permanent

Ion frigate at 13:15, 20 February 2010

2010-02-20T13:15:36Z

PeterGFin at 10:49, 20 February 2010

2010-02-20T10:49:01Z

Tjr at 03:57, 20 February 2010

2010-02-20T03:57:52Z

PeterGFin: Are sandestins altered forms stoning resistant?

2010-02-19T23:20:44Z

Are sandestins altered forms stoning resistant?

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Does the '''sandestin''''s altered form benefit from [[stoning resistance]]? If so, this will be important to any players who like to wield a cockatrice corpse.--[[User:PeterGFin|PeterGFin]] 23:20, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

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	: All shapeshifters can be stoned if they take on a non-resistant form. The result is statue of whatever they depicted. However, stone to flesh will most often result in a permanently polymorphed monster, i. e. without shapeshifting abilities. Some chameleons came back as as chameleons in disguised form, but none of the doppelgangers and sandestins. All this is from wizmode testing. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:16, February 23, 2010 (UTC)		: All shapeshifters can be stoned if they take on a non-resistant form. The result is statue of whatever they depicted. However, stone to flesh will most often result in a permanently polymorphed monster, i. e. without shapeshifting abilities. Some chameleons came back as as chameleons in disguised form, but none of the doppelgangers and sandestins. All this is from wizmode testing. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:16, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
		+	: BTW, sandestins and their disguised forms will wield cockatrice corpses just fine. You have to give them gloves, though. Each time they change form, they drop the corpse. I guess this because the devteam didn't want to handle stoned monsters. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 19:01, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

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	::: Trying that in wizard mode, and also from general experience, they won't wield cockatrice corpses, as they don't have a weapon attack. In fact I couldn't make a skeleton wield one, even with gloves; that may have been a fluke though. I'm not sure there's code to handle monsters stoning themselves with cockatrice corpses. It doesn't seem like it'd be necessary, since all the ways to do so yourself, monsters pretty much don't do. Even for a monster wielding a corpse, you can't steal their gloves without stealing the corpse first. Thus, I'd doubt monsters actually have that vulnerability, as it's really only a few corner cases. From testing in wizzmode just now, it seems that monsters wielding cockatrice corpses religiously avoid even undiscovered pits; it looks like basically monsters being stoned by cockatrice corpses is something the devs didn't want to handle. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 13:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)		::: Trying that in wizard mode, and also from general experience, they won't wield cockatrice corpses, as they don't have a weapon attack. In fact I couldn't make a skeleton wield one, even with gloves; that may have been a fluke though. I'm not sure there's code to handle monsters stoning themselves with cockatrice corpses. It doesn't seem like it'd be necessary, since all the ways to do so yourself, monsters pretty much don't do. Even for a monster wielding a corpse, you can't steal their gloves without stealing the corpse first. Thus, I'd doubt monsters actually have that vulnerability, as it's really only a few corner cases. From testing in wizzmode just now, it seems that monsters wielding cockatrice corpses religiously avoid even undiscovered pits; it looks like basically monsters being stoned by cockatrice corpses is something the devs didn't want to handle. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 13:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: All shapeshifters can be stoned if they take on a non-resistant form. The result is statue of whatever they depicted. However, stone to flesh will most often result in a permanently polymorphed monster, i. e. without shapeshifting abilities. Some chameleons came back as as chameleons in disguised form, but none of the doppelgangers and sandestins. All this is from wizmode testing. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:16, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

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	:: What I meant was whether the sandestin's resistance carried over into its disguised form? Very unlikely from experience, but if so it would fool anyone wielding a cockatrice corpse (expecting to stone a nasty). Otherwise it would be amusing to drop one for them to wield, and then remove your [[ring of protection from shape changers]]--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 10:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)		:: What I meant was whether the sandestin's resistance carried over into its disguised form? Very unlikely from experience, but if so it would fool anyone wielding a cockatrice corpse (expecting to stone a nasty). Otherwise it would be amusing to drop one for them to wield, and then remove your [[ring of protection from shape changers]]--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 10:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	::: Trying that in wizard mode, and also from general experience, they won't wield cockatrice corpses, as they don't have a weapon attack. In fact I couldn't make a skeleton wield one, even with gloves; that may have been a fluke though. I'm not sure there's code to handle monsters stoning themselves with cockatrice corpses. It doesn't seem like it'd be necessary, since all the ways to do so yourself, monsters pretty much don't do. Even for a monster wielding a corpse, you can't steal their gloves without stealing the corpse first. Thus, I'd doubt monsters actually have that vulnerability, as it's really only a few corner cases. From testing in wizzmode just now, it seems that monsters wielding cockatrice corpses religiously avoid even undiscovered pits; it looks like basically monsters being stoned by cockatrice corpses is something the devs didn't want to handle. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 13:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

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	: If the sandestin polymorphs into a stoning resistant form, then it should be stoning resistant. Now what if the stoning-resistant sandestin decides to wield a cockatrice corpse - does it get stoned a few turns later? -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 03:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)		: If the sandestin polymorphs into a stoning resistant form, then it should be stoning resistant. Now what if the stoning-resistant sandestin decides to wield a cockatrice corpse - does it get stoned a few turns later? -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 03:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	:: What I meant was whether the sandestin's resistance carried over into its disguised form? Very unlikely from experience, but if so it would fool anyone wielding a cockatrice corpse (expecting to stone a nasty). Otherwise it would be amusing to drop one for them to wield, and then remove your [[ring of protection from shape changers]]--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 10:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

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	Does the '''sandestin''''s altered form benefit from [[stoning resistance]]? If so, this will be important to any players who like to wield a cockatrice corpse.--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 23:20, February 19, 2010 (UTC)		Does the '''sandestin''''s altered form benefit from [[stoning resistance]]? If so, this will be important to any players who like to wield a cockatrice corpse.--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 23:20, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: If the sandestin polymorphs into a stoning resistant form, then it should be stoning resistant. Now what if the stoning-resistant sandestin decides to wield a cockatrice corpse - does it get stoned a few turns later? -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 03:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)