Talk:Score - Revision history

95.221.29.248: /* Values in Tables */ enchanting

2013-10-17T11:14:46Z

‎Values in Tables: enchanting

2011-08-31T12:14:45Z

yes

2011-08-31T10:07:24Z

2011-08-26T20:56:40Z

‎Values in Tables

2011-08-26T12:20:22Z

‎Minscore and wands: monster use

2011-08-26T12:17:42Z

‎Minscore and wands: finished zap, engrave, apply

2011-08-26T11:49:19Z

‎Minscore and wands

2011-08-26T11:44:39Z

source diving - preliminary results

2011-08-26T11:19:58Z

zapping a directional(!) wand at yourself {{kbd|.}} never gives the score

2011-08-26T08:49:22Z

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	[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 04:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)		[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 04:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
	:No, that's correct - the artifact's score value is 2.5 times its monetary value. The table gives the score value; I guess that could be made clearer, though. The monetary value itself is actually almost never relevant, given the way shopkeepers buy and sell artifacts (some absurd factor both ways, so it's never worth it to do either - just steal it if you want it). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)		:No, that's correct - the artifact's score value is 2.5 times its monetary value. The table gives the score value; I guess that could be made clearer, though. The monetary value itself is actually almost never relevant, given the way shopkeepers buy and sell artifacts (some absurd factor both ways, so it's never worth it to do either - just steal it if you want it). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
		+	::By the way, does enchanting artifact weapons increase their score value? --[[Special:Contributions/95.221.29.248\|95.221.29.248]] 11:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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	:Are IMMEDIATE-type wands all those that are listed as 'beam' type on the [[wand]] page? [[User:Spontiff\|Spontiff]] 10:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)		:Are IMMEDIATE-type wands all those that are listed as 'beam' type on the [[wand]] page? [[User:Spontiff\|Spontiff]] 10:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
		+	::Yes. I forgot the wiki calls it beam. Now that I know both, I tend to like immediate better because it explains the lack of any animation. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:14, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

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 :* Monsters will use some wands, identifying them for you without score. [[Forum:Monster_usable_items]]
 :All this needs to be wizmode-tested. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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	Could these lists be auto-generated by the items' info pages somehow?		Could these lists be auto-generated by the items' info pages somehow?
	[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 04:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)		[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 04:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
		+	:No, that's correct - the artifact's score value is 2.5 times its monetary value. The table gives the score value; I guess that could be made clearer, though. The monetary value itself is actually almost never relevant, given the way shopkeepers buy and sell artifacts (some absurd factor both ways, so it's never worth it to do either - just steal it if you want it). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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 :* applying a wand does nothing if uncharged, cancelled, you're lackign the strenght etc.
 :* otherwise, applying identifies wands of death, fire, lightning, cold, magic missile, but never grants score for any type of wand.
 :All this needs to be wizmode-tested. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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 :* zapping a RAY-type directional wand in any direction except self gives the score points.
 :* zapping or engraving with a nondirectional wand always gives the score if you see the effects, which is always the case if enlightenment or wishing. Handled by [[Source:Ref/zapnodir]] instead of [[Source:Ref/weffects]]
 :All this needs to be wizmode-tested. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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 :* zapping your steed always does, unless no effect
 :* zapping an IMMEDIATE-type directional wand while engulfed never does, but formally IDs striking, polymorph, make invisible, probing.
 :* zapping an IMMEDIATE-type directional wand up or down does give the score if appropriate
 :* zapping an IMMEDIATE-type directional wand in other directions never gives score

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 ==Minscore and wands==
 "Note that the wand of speed monster does not give points on formal identification, unlike other wands" - could I get a source-diver to grab me a reference for this please, and also report it to the dev team if it looks like a bug! Thanks [[User:Spontiff|Spontiff]] 08:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
-: As I read the code, zapping a directional(!) wand at yourself {{kbd|.}} never gives the score "bonus" for formal discovery. [[Source:Ref/zapyourself]] --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:19, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
+: As I read the code, regarding the score "bonus" for formal discovery:
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 How about listing the value/score for the invocation artifacts too?
+==Showscore==
 I don't think the "showscore" option works.  I can't get it to work.  --[[User:MadDawg2552|MadDawg2552]] 02:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 You need to have compiled nethack with SCORE_ON_BOTL, too. [[User:Renx|Renx]] 14:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 "Note that the wand of speed monster does not give points on formal identification, unlike other wands" - could I get a source-diver to grab me a reference for this please, and also report it to the dev team if it looks like a bug! Thanks [[User:Spontiff|Spontiff]] 08:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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	You need to have compiled nethack with SCORE_ON_BOTL, too. [[User:Renx\|Renx]] 14:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)		You need to have compiled nethack with SCORE_ON_BOTL, too. [[User:Renx\|Renx]] 14:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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		+	"Note that the wand of speed monster does not give points on formal identification, unlike other wands" - could I get a source-diver to grab me a reference for this please, and also report it to the dev team if it looks like a bug! Thanks [[User:Spontiff\|Spontiff]] 08:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

	==Values in Tables==		==Values in Tables==