Talk:Scroll of amnesia - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* 25% or 24%? */ link draft

2024-06-05T10:21:21Z

‎25% or 24%?: link draft

Umbire the Phantom: /* 25% or 24%? */ dropped thought

2024-06-05T09:53:20Z

‎25% or 24%?: dropped thought

Umbire the Phantom: /* 25% or 24%? */ another reply

2024-06-05T09:52:54Z

‎25% or 24%?: another reply

Umbire the Phantom: reply

2024-06-05T09:00:26Z

Furey: /* 25% or 24%? */ oops

2024-06-05T08:51:44Z

‎25% or 24%?: oops

Furey: /* 25% or 24%? */ doing some math

2024-06-05T08:51:05Z

‎25% or 24%?: doing some math

178.36.196.132: /* vibrating square */ new section

2014-12-31T20:08:23Z

‎vibrating square: new section

Qazmlpok: /* Randomness after Amnesia? */

2011-03-09T20:44:50Z

‎Randomness after Amnesia?

Ablotial at 20:37, 9 March 2011

2011-03-09T20:37:45Z

FJH: Holy crap. How else can we cripple our hero to add challenge to the game?

2010-11-23T19:49:30Z

Holy crap. How else can we cripple our hero to add challenge to the game?

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	:Circling back around after several minutes of thought, my guess is the 50 in that equation is a form of rounding, given that it tends to push anything under a half up to the next integer - I'm not 100% on that though, and I'm also not great at actually constructing equations specifically using the math markup (which has always eluded me tbh) to better represent this visually, though I might be able to find someone who can. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)		:Circling back around after several minutes of thought, my guess is the 50 in that equation is a form of rounding, given that it tends to push anything under a half up to the next integer - I'm not 100% on that though, and I'm also not great at actually constructing equations specifically using the math markup (which has always eluded me tbh) to better represent this visually, though I might be able to find someone who can. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	:[[User:Umbire the Phantom/Scroll of amnesia\|Sandboxed a draft]] both to work on later (it is 6am) and to try out things relatively free of consequence. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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	:I think it might be best to get as much of the necessary/pertinent details in, and then pare it down/simplify as needed ASAP. For this scenario specifically, I think we can swing a bit of <nowiki><math></math></nowiki> - it may or may not be avoidable, but that's a bridge we likely cross when we come to it. I'm also open to other ideas on that front. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)		:I think it might be best to get as much of the necessary/pertinent details in, and then pare it down/simplify as needed ASAP. For this scenario specifically, I think we can swing a bit of <nowiki><math></math></nowiki> - it may or may not be avoidable, but that's a bridge we likely cross when we come to it. I'm also open to other ideas on that front. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

−	:Circling back around after several minutes of thought, my guess is the 50 in that equation is a form of rounding, given that it tends to push anything under a half up to the next integer - I'm not 100% on that though, and I'm also not great at actually constructing equations specifically using the math markup (which has always eluded me tbh) to better represent this visually. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)	+	:Circling back around after several minutes of thought, my guess is the 50 in that equation is a form of rounding, given that it tends to push anything under a half up to the next integer - I'm not 100% on that though, and I'm also not great at actually constructing equations specifically using the math markup (which has always eluded me tbh) to better represent this visually, though I might be able to find someone who can. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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	:I think it might be best to get as much of the necessary/pertinent details in, and then pare it down/simplify as needed ASAP. For this scenario specifically, I think we can swing a bit of <nowiki><math></math></nowiki> - it may or may not be avoidable, but that's a bridge we likely cross when we come to it. I'm also open to other ideas on that front. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)		:I think it might be best to get as much of the necessary/pertinent details in, and then pare it down/simplify as needed ASAP. For this scenario specifically, I think we can swing a bit of <nowiki><math></math></nowiki> - it may or may not be avoidable, but that's a bridge we likely cross when we come to it. I'm also open to other ideas on that front. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	:Circling back around after several minutes of thought, my guess is the 50 in that equation is a form of rounding, given that it tends to push anything under a half up to the next integer - I'm not 100% on that though, and I'm also not great at actually constructing equations specifically using the math markup (which has always eluded me tbh) to better represent this visually. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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 ** I'd heard of the poet, but had never heard of the poem before NetHack. --[[User:Kahran042|Kahran042]] 01:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That never even occured to me.  I am shamed. [[User:Lord NAg|Lord NAg]] 23:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 What does a blessed one do? The chart doesn't have an entry for it.
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 --[[Special:Contributions/178.36.196.132|178.36.196.132]] 20:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)Winhert
-=== 25% or 24%? ==
+== 25% or 24%? ==
 The scroll code calls rn2(25) for percentage of levels to forget, and the maximum value of rn2(25) is 24, not 25. However, forget_levels calculates ((count * percent) + 50) / 100. The +50 boosts the percentage. For example, if count=20 and percent=24, then ((20 * 24) + 50) / 100 = 530 / 100 = 5. 5 out of 20 is 25%, more than 24%.
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 I don't know how to make the article both correct and simple enough to be useful. Perhaps just drop the percentages. But then someone is likely to put wrong percentages in again. The old version said 1% to 24%, and both the 1% and the 24% were wrong.
-[[User:Furey|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey|talk]]) 08:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
+[[User:Furey|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey|talk]]) 08:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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	If you map the last level of Gehennom, you may use this to aid you in finding vibrating square in case you have a hard time memorizing your patterns.		If you map the last level of Gehennom, you may use this to aid you in finding vibrating square in case you have a hard time memorizing your patterns.
	--[[Special:Contributions/178.36.196.132\|178.36.196.132]] 20:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)Winhert		--[[Special:Contributions/178.36.196.132\|178.36.196.132]] 20:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)Winhert
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		+	=== 25% or 24%? ==
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		+	The scroll code calls rn2(25) for percentage of levels to forget, and the maximum value of rn2(25) is 24, not 25. However, forget_levels calculates ((count * percent) + 50) / 100. The +50 boosts the percentage. For example, if count=20 and percent=24, then ((20 * 24) + 50) / 100 = 530 / 100 = 5. 5 out of 20 is 25%, more than 24%.
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		+	Worst case is count=3, percent=24. ((3 * 24) + 50) / 100 = 124 / 100 = 1. 1 out of 3 is more than 33%.
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		+	Sokoban also raises percentage if count > 50.
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		+	I don't know how to make the article both correct and simple enough to be useful. Perhaps just drop the percentages. But then someone is likely to put wrong percentages in again. The old version said 1% to 24%, and both the 1% and the 24% were wrong.
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		+	[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 08:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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	During my last game, I got amnesia from a mindflayer attack and forgot some of the things I once knew. I had a glass wand that I knew was teleportation and had named them as such even though the game didn't auto-identify it (I guess because the objects weren't teleported somewhere I could see them, so it was possible they went invisible or something else, except I had see-invisible so that wasn't it). Anyway, after the amnesia, I had "forgotten" the name of the glass wand. I re-zapped it and discovered that it was STILL teleportation. Was that a random happening of it being re-assigned to the same thing, or does it actually not re-randomize things? In other words, if I wrote down on a piece of paper all my discoveries, would amnesia be irrelevant (though still annoying)? --[[User:Ablotial\|Ablotial]] 20:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)		During my last game, I got amnesia from a mindflayer attack and forgot some of the things I once knew. I had a glass wand that I knew was teleportation and had named them as such even though the game didn't auto-identify it (I guess because the objects weren't teleported somewhere I could see them, so it was possible they went invisible or something else, except I had see-invisible so that wasn't it). Anyway, after the amnesia, I had "forgotten" the name of the glass wand. I re-zapped it and discovered that it was STILL teleportation. Was that a random happening of it being re-assigned to the same thing, or does it actually not re-randomize things? In other words, if I wrote down on a piece of paper all my discoveries, would amnesia be irrelevant (though still annoying)? --[[User:Ablotial\|Ablotial]] 20:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
	:Amnesia does not re-randomize appearances. You can write down appearances like that; it's possible, tedious, and also is a form of metagaming. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 20:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)		:Amnesia does not re-randomize appearances. You can write down appearances like that; it's possible, tedious, and also is a form of metagaming. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 20:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== vibrating square ==
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		+	If you map the last level of Gehennom, you may use this to aid you in finding vibrating square in case you have a hard time memorizing your patterns.
		+	--[[Special:Contributions/178.36.196.132\|178.36.196.132]] 20:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)Winhert

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	During my last game, I got amnesia from a mindflayer attack and forgot some of the things I once knew. I had a glass wand that I knew was teleportation and had named them as such even though the game didn't auto-identify it (I guess because the objects weren't teleported somewhere I could see them, so it was possible they went invisible or something else, except I had see-invisible so that wasn't it). Anyway, after the amnesia, I had "forgotten" the name of the glass wand. I re-zapped it and discovered that it was STILL teleportation. Was that a random happening of it being re-assigned to the same thing, or does it actually not re-randomize things? In other words, if I wrote down on a piece of paper all my discoveries, would amnesia be irrelevant (though still annoying)? --[[User:Ablotial\|Ablotial]] 20:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)		During my last game, I got amnesia from a mindflayer attack and forgot some of the things I once knew. I had a glass wand that I knew was teleportation and had named them as such even though the game didn't auto-identify it (I guess because the objects weren't teleported somewhere I could see them, so it was possible they went invisible or something else, except I had see-invisible so that wasn't it). Anyway, after the amnesia, I had "forgotten" the name of the glass wand. I re-zapped it and discovered that it was STILL teleportation. Was that a random happening of it being re-assigned to the same thing, or does it actually not re-randomize things? In other words, if I wrote down on a piece of paper all my discoveries, would amnesia be irrelevant (though still annoying)? --[[User:Ablotial\|Ablotial]] 20:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Amnesia does not re-randomize appearances. You can write down appearances like that; it's possible, tedious, and also is a form of metagaming. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 20:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

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	What does this message mean?<br>		What does this message mean?<br>
	I had this message appear in my last game, and I think it means you went back to a level you forgot from amnesia, but I'm not sure. I searched it and it didn't appear in any of the 3.4.3 source files here, so I'm confused. --[[User:Uncreative Username\|Uncreative Username]] 15:53, May 28, 2010 (UTC)		I had this message appear in my last game, and I think it means you went back to a level you forgot from amnesia, but I'm not sure. I searched it and it didn't appear in any of the 3.4.3 source files here, so I'm confused. --[[User:Uncreative Username\|Uncreative Username]] 15:53, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	I agree, that's what the message means. --[[User:Ablotial\|Ablotial]] 20:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Randomness after Amnesia? ==
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		+	During my last game, I got amnesia from a mindflayer attack and forgot some of the things I once knew. I had a glass wand that I knew was teleportation and had named them as such even though the game didn't auto-identify it (I guess because the objects weren't teleported somewhere I could see them, so it was possible they went invisible or something else, except I had see-invisible so that wasn't it). Anyway, after the amnesia, I had "forgotten" the name of the glass wand. I re-zapped it and discovered that it was STILL teleportation. Was that a random happening of it being re-assigned to the same thing, or does it actually not re-randomize things? In other words, if I wrote down on a piece of paper all my discoveries, would amnesia be irrelevant (though still annoying)? --[[User:Ablotial\|Ablotial]] 20:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

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 : blessed un-confused is included in "cursed or not confused", therefore you forget all of the current level, on top of forgetting object identites. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 15:10, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
-"forget whether you are punished" <br />
+== "... forget whether you are punished ..." ==
 What exactly does that mean? Does your character forget it has an iron ball chained to him/herself? That doesn't seem like something you could forget, as you'd immediately notice it once you started walking again. Or did they mean your God's anger? Could someone explain what that bit means? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 23:13, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 == You have a sense of deja vu. ==