Talk:Shade - Revision history

Actual-nh: /* Cloak? */ Got it, thanks

2021-09-14T21:04:58Z

‎Cloak?: Got it, thanks

Umbire the Phantom at 20:48, 14 September 2021

2021-09-14T20:48:56Z

Umbire the Phantom: Come on

2021-09-14T20:46:41Z

Come on

Actual-nh: /* Cloak? */ new section

2021-09-14T20:42:53Z

‎Cloak?: new section

Qazmlpok at 21:31, 21 February 2011

2011-02-21T21:31:15Z

Blackcustard: Added sig.

2011-02-21T20:52:52Z

Added sig.

Blackcustard: Shadyjames is right about artifact weapons and unarmed gloveless with a silver ring is a bad idea.

2011-02-21T20:52:37Z

Shadyjames is right about artifact weapons and unarmed gloveless with a silver ring is a bad idea.

Shadyjames at 00:39, 3 September 2009

2009-09-03T00:39:49Z

Shadyjames: Created page with 'The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the pag…'

2009-09-03T00:39:19Z

Created page with 'The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the pag…'

New page

The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the page myself because i'm not certain if blessed non-artifact weapons with damage bonuses will work as well.

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	Spelling it out: 3.4.3 cloaks usually give MC3. The version template should have been a giant neon sign saying "this article needs updating". --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)		Spelling it out: 3.4.3 cloaks usually give MC3. The version template should have been a giant neon sign saying "this article needs updating". --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:: Second sentence in the above is removed. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 21:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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	How does a cloak help against Shades? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)		How does a cloak help against Shades? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

−	:"Magic cancellation level three or free action is highly recommended. Wear a cloak – if necessary, repolymorph into a form that can." --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)	+	:"Magic cancellation level three or free action is highly recommended. Wear a cloak – if necessary, repolymorph into a form that can."
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		+	Spelling it out: 3.4.3 cloaks usually give MC3. The version template should have been a giant neon sign saying "this article needs updating". --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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	How does a cloak help against Shades? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)		How does a cloak help against Shades? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:"Magic cancellation level three or free action is highly recommended. Wear a cloak – if necessary, repolymorph into a form that can." --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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	I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 20:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)		I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 20:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
	:Even wielding the ring is usually unnecessary, as the player should (not always, of course, but most of the time) have the bell of opening by this point. Also, wielding a non-weapon doesn't break weaponless conduct, so wielding a silver object is perfectly fine. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)		:Even wielding the ring is usually unnecessary, as the player should (not always, of course, but most of the time) have the bell of opening by this point. Also, wielding a non-weapon doesn't break weaponless conduct, so wielding a silver object is perfectly fine. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
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		+	How does a cloak help against Shades? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 20:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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	I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 20:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)		I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 20:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Even wielding the ring is usually unnecessary, as the player should (not always, of course, but most of the time) have the bell of opening by this point. Also, wielding a non-weapon doesn't break weaponless conduct, so wielding a silver object is perfectly fine. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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	Your right. The artifacts base damage and enchantment are calculated before the shade zeroing occurs, and intrinsic/extrinsic (from rings of increase damage) bonus don't occur unless your already dealing damage.		Your right. The artifacts base damage and enchantment are calculated before the shade zeroing occurs, and intrinsic/extrinsic (from rings of increase damage) bonus don't occur unless your already dealing damage.

−	I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct.	+	I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 20:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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	The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the page myself because i'm not certain if blessed non-artifact weapons with damage bonuses will work as well.		The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the page myself because i'm not certain if blessed non-artifact weapons with damage bonuses will work as well.
	[[User:Shadyjames\|Shadyjames]] 00:39, September 3, 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Shadyjames\|Shadyjames]] 00:39, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	Your right. The artifacts base damage and enchantment are calculated before the shade zeroing occurs, and intrinsic/extrinsic (from rings of increase damage) bonus don't occur unless your already dealing damage.
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		+	I also think the recommendation for unarmed gloves combat when wearing a silver ring should be removed. The unarmed combat gives no damage, so the silver damage is the only thing that matters. You can get that by wielding the silver ring while wearing your gloves, with less risk, and without sacrificing AC or stat bonuses. The only exception would be for players playing wielded weaponless conduct.

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	The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the page myself because i'm not certain if blessed non-artifact weapons with damage bonuses will work as well.		The "artifact weapon with a damage bonus" thing isn't correct. The weapon must also be blessed. +6 uncursed stormbringer passes harmlessly through shades. I'm not editing the page myself because i'm not certain if blessed non-artifact weapons with damage bonuses will work as well.
		+	[[User:Shadyjames\|Shadyjames]] 00:39, September 3, 2009 (UTC)