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		<title>Doran: dead link section</title>
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		<updated>2019-07-23T20:48:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;dead link section&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 20:48, 23 July 2019&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Reference to NES game==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Reference to NES game==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm deleting the edit again, because it still doesn't seem plausible (let alone &amp;quot;very likely&amp;quot;) that this is a deliberate reference.  NetHack in general is very light on references to other non-Roguelike video games; the only ones I can think of offhand are the wumpus and the Gauntlet messages when you're hungry or near death.  The edit claims that Karnov received an &amp;quot;overwhelmingly positive&amp;quot; reception from Dragon magazine, but neither this page nor the Wikipedia article links the actual review, and it's not clear whether 4.5/5 is a particularly high rating in the context of Dragon's video game reviews at the time.  I really don't think Karnov was especially &amp;quot;popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;influential&amp;quot;; to the contrary, it seems to be mostly forgotten.  Finally, the edit argues that the two games were contemporaneous, both being released in 1987 -- but the Quests, and Shaman Karnov by extension, weren't added until 1993.  For these reasons, I think the similar names are just a coincidence.  --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 01:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm deleting the edit again, because it still doesn't seem plausible (let alone &amp;quot;very likely&amp;quot;) that this is a deliberate reference.  NetHack in general is very light on references to other non-Roguelike video games; the only ones I can think of offhand are the wumpus and the Gauntlet messages when you're hungry or near death.  The edit claims that Karnov received an &amp;quot;overwhelmingly positive&amp;quot; reception from Dragon magazine, but neither this page nor the Wikipedia article links the actual review, and it's not clear whether 4.5/5 is a particularly high rating in the context of Dragon's video game reviews at the time.  I really don't think Karnov was especially &amp;quot;popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;influential&amp;quot;; to the contrary, it seems to be mostly forgotten.  Finally, the edit argues that the two games were contemporaneous, both being released in 1987 -- but the Quests, and Shaman Karnov by extension, weren't added until 1993.  For these reasons, I think the similar names are just a coincidence.  --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 01:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The link to http://ehc.ac/p/nethack/_members/ is 404, can anyone fix?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Doran</name></author>
		
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		<title>Darth l33t: Created page with '==Reference to NES game== I'm deleting the edit again, because it still doesn't seem plausible (let alone &quot;very likely&quot;) that this is a deliberate reference.  NetHack in general …'</title>
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		<updated>2010-05-25T01:39:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;==Reference to NES game== I&amp;#039;m deleting the edit again, because it still doesn&amp;#039;t seem plausible (let alone &amp;quot;very likely&amp;quot;) that this is a deliberate reference.  NetHack in general …&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Reference to NES game==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm deleting the edit again, because it still doesn't seem plausible (let alone &amp;quot;very likely&amp;quot;) that this is a deliberate reference.  NetHack in general is very light on references to other non-Roguelike video games; the only ones I can think of offhand are the wumpus and the Gauntlet messages when you're hungry or near death.  The edit claims that Karnov received an &amp;quot;overwhelmingly positive&amp;quot; reception from Dragon magazine, but neither this page nor the Wikipedia article links the actual review, and it's not clear whether 4.5/5 is a particularly high rating in the context of Dragon's video game reviews at the time.  I really don't think Karnov was especially &amp;quot;popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;influential&amp;quot;; to the contrary, it seems to be mostly forgotten.  Finally, the edit argues that the two games were contemporaneous, both being released in 1987 -- but the Quests, and Shaman Karnov by extension, weren't added until 1993.  For these reasons, I think the similar names are just a coincidence.  --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 01:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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