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		<title>Kcostell: /* Item Destruction bypassing reflection */ new section</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Item Destruction bypassing reflection: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 02:02, 15 November 2020&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What are the odds of losing a ring/wand to shock? Is it dependent on the amount of damage? if not, couldn&amp;#039;t a group of gridbugs seriously screw you by taking away important jewelry? [[User:DemonDoll|DemonDoll]] 15:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What are the odds of losing a ring/wand to shock? Is it dependent on the amount of damage? if not, couldn&amp;#039;t a group of gridbugs seriously screw you by taking away important jewelry? [[User:DemonDoll|DemonDoll]] 15:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: The odds are very small, but I&amp;#039;d like to see exact values, too. I think it is dependent on the special attack hitting, not on how much damage it does. However, since grid bugs have rather low-damage attacks, exploding items is clearly correllated to total damage. Yes, exploding rings can seriously screw you, e. g. conflict if in a horde, telecontrol if afflicted with teleporitis, polymorph control if a were-creature, gain strength if you then become  burdened etc. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 15:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;: The odds are very small, but I&amp;#039;d like to see exact values, too. I think it is dependent on the special attack hitting, not on how much damage it does. However, since grid bugs have rather low-damage attacks, exploding items is clearly correllated to total damage. Yes, exploding rings can seriously screw you, e. g. conflict if in a horde, telecontrol if afflicted with teleporitis, polymorph control if a were-creature, gain strength if you then become  burdened etc. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 15:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Item Destruction bypassing reflection ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Per the article, &quot;The only item-destroying shock attacks that aren&#039;t blocked by reflection are those from electric eels, container traps, Mjollnir, and unusually high-level grid bugs. None of these is common so they can usually be avoided, so you don&#039;t need to keep backup rings if you&#039;re careful (but it still never hurts).&quot;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I believe Energy Vortices should be in here as well -- their post-engulf shocking touch attack is not affected by reflection.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Kcostell</name></author>
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		<title>Tjr at 15:51, 1 June 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-01T15:51:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What are the odds of losing a ring/wand to shock? Is it dependent on the amount of damage? if not, couldn&amp;#039;t a group of gridbugs seriously screw you by taking away important jewelry? [[User:DemonDoll|DemonDoll]] 15:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What are the odds of losing a ring/wand to shock? Is it dependent on the amount of damage? if not, couldn&amp;#039;t a group of gridbugs seriously screw you by taking away important jewelry? [[User:DemonDoll|DemonDoll]] 15:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;: The odds are very small, but I&#039;d like to see exact values, too. I think it is dependent on the special attack hitting, not on how much damage it does. However, since grid bugs have rather low-damage attacks, exploding items is clearly correllated to total damage. Yes, exploding rings can seriously screw you, e. g. conflict if in a horde, telecontrol if afflicted with teleporitis, polymorph control if a were-creature, gain strength if you then become  burdened etc. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 15:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tjr</name></author>
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		<title>DemonDoll: Created page with &#039;What are the odds of losing a ring/wand to shock? Is it dependent on the amount of damage? if not, couldn&#039;t a group of gridbugs seriously screw you by taking away important jewel...&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;What are the odds of losing a ring/wand to shock? Is it dependent on the amount of damage? if not, couldn&amp;#039;t a group of gridbugs seriously screw you by taking away important jewel...&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
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