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Ion frigate: /* buying */ -reply

2025-03-28T14:45:47Z

buying: -reply

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	--[[User:Strycat\|Strycat]] ([[User talk:Strycat\|talk]]) 22:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)		--[[User:Strycat\|Strycat]] ([[User talk:Strycat\|talk]]) 22:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

			:It doesn't, at least not in vanilla NetHack. The relevant code can be found [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/shk.c#L1995 starting at line 1995] in shk.c for version 3.6.7, but the only thing that gets upcharged if it's blessed (or cursed) is water (more accurately, it gets ''down''charged to 0zm if it's uncursed). There's the charisma multiplier (which for most characters is more than 1), and there's also the random 1/3 upcharge for un-ID'd items. All in all, a scroll of ID can theoretically cost something like 53zm, more if you've ticked off the shopkeeper.
			:Some variants might make blessed items more expensive; certainly some have other upcharges. For example, in SLASH'EM some roles (Samurai, Rogue, Barbarian) get an additional multiplier on their prices, potentially pushing scrolls of ID into the hundreds of zorkmids. But in vanilla, there's nothing like that. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 14:45, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Strycat: /* buying */ new section

2025-03-27T22:48:21Z

buying: new section

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	You're right, not at all necessary to do, but still quite fun to see what will happen. Leading up to the dwarf lord I counted 3 unicorns and 2 rock moles. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)		You're right, not at all necessary to do, but still quite fun to see what will happen. Leading up to the dwarf lord I counted 3 unicorns and 2 rock moles. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

			== buying ==

			This page doesn't mention the fact that blessed items are sold by the shopkeeper for more. I'm not sure where in the code this is calculated but a blessed ?oID goes for significantly more than 20zm.

			--[[User:Strycat\|Strycat]] ([[User talk:Strycat\|talk]]) 22:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikid: /* Cursed cloak of invisibility */

2020-01-18T03:32:11Z

Cursed cloak of invisibility

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	:That said, it's also a perfect testament to how thoroughly compromised the entire situation gets with such a cloak. Regardless, I should express my thanks for the fact that you decided to test it out. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		:That said, it's also a perfect testament to how thoroughly compromised the entire situation gets with such a cloak. Regardless, I should express my thanks for the fact that you decided to test it out. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

			You're right, not at all necessary to do, but still quite fun to see what will happen. Leading up to the dwarf lord I counted 3 unicorns and 2 rock moles. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom at 09:29, 17 January 2020

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	:You didn't necessarily ''have'' to wiztest, is the thing. Mostly just applying reasoning from other bits of the article works: i.e. "what are common ways of escaping shops while stealing?" "Can any of these apply to a situation like this?" "Yes? Then it's not unwinnable!" --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		:You didn't necessarily ''have'' to wiztest, is the thing. Mostly just applying reasoning from other bits of the article works: i.e. "what are common ways of escaping shops while stealing?" "Can any of these apply to a situation like this?" "Yes? Then it's not unwinnable!" --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

			:That said, it's also a perfect testament to how thoroughly compromised the entire situation gets with such a cloak. Regardless, I should express my thanks for the fact that you decided to test it out. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom at 09:25, 17 January 2020

2020-01-17T09:25:35Z

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	Sorry. I wiztested and after 10000 turns of praying for nutrition a dwarf lord dug in. I took its mattock and dug down. That created a lot of problems with Kops and an angry shopkeeper that also fell through the hole, but in principle still winnable. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 07:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		Sorry. I wiztested and after 10000 turns of praying for nutrition a dwarf lord dug in. I took its mattock and dug down. That created a lot of problems with Kops and an angry shopkeeper that also fell through the hole, but in principle still winnable. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 07:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

			:You didn't necessarily ''have'' to wiztest, is the thing. Mostly just applying reasoning from other bits of the article works: i.e. "what are common ways of escaping shops while stealing?" "Can any of these apply to a situation like this?" "Yes? Then it's not unwinnable!" --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikid: /* Cursed cloak of invisibility */

2020-01-17T07:49:11Z

Cursed cloak of invisibility

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	:I mean, you're right and that's a sensible change, but you could have abbreviated this and placed it in the edit summary. It would explain things just as well with a tiny bit more convenience. :B --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 06:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		:I mean, you're right and that's a sensible change, but you could have abbreviated this and placed it in the edit summary. It would explain things just as well with a tiny bit more convenience. :B --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 06:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

	Sorry. I wiztested and after 10000 turns a dwarf lord dug in. I took its mattock and dug down. That created a lot of problems with Kops and an angry shopkeeper that also fell through the hole, but in principle still winnable. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 07:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		Sorry. I wiztested and after 10000 turns of praying for nutrition a dwarf lord dug in. I took its mattock and dug down. That created a lot of problems with Kops and an angry shopkeeper that also fell through the hole, but in principle still winnable. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 07:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikid: /* Cursed cloak of invisibility */ wiztested

2020-01-17T07:40:39Z

Cursed cloak of invisibility: wiztested

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	:I mean, you're right and that's a sensible change, but you could have abbreviated this and placed it in the edit summary. It would explain things just as well with a tiny bit more convenience. :B --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 06:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		:I mean, you're right and that's a sensible change, but you could have abbreviated this and placed it in the edit summary. It would explain things just as well with a tiny bit more convenience. :B --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 06:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

			Sorry. I wiztested and after 10000 turns a dwarf lord dug in. I took its mattock and dug down. That created a lot of problems with Kops and an angry shopkeeper that also fell through the hole, but in principle still winnable. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 07:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom at 06:35, 17 January 2020

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	Putting one on without an immediate way of removing it won't strictly render the game [[unwinnable]]. There are monsters that can destroy or steal armor for you. Or you might find a way to burst out of your armor. Although you would most likely have to wait a long time for the RNG to deliver, in principle these things remain possible, so the game is still not strictly [[unwinnable]]. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 06:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)		Putting one on without an immediate way of removing it won't strictly render the game [[unwinnable]]. There are monsters that can destroy or steal armor for you. Or you might find a way to burst out of your armor. Although you would most likely have to wait a long time for the RNG to deliver, in principle these things remain possible, so the game is still not strictly [[unwinnable]]. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 06:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

			:I mean, you're right and that's a sensible change, but you could have abbreviated this and placed it in the edit summary. It would explain things just as well with a tiny bit more convenience. :B --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 06:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikid: /* Cursed cloak of invisibility */ new section

2020-01-17T06:24:01Z

Cursed cloak of invisibility: new section

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	--[[User:Esteron\|Esteron]] ([[User talk:Esteron\|talk]]) 20:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)		--[[User:Esteron\|Esteron]] ([[User talk:Esteron\|talk]]) 20:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

			== Cursed cloak of invisibility ==

			Putting one on without an immediate way of removing it won't strictly render the game [[unwinnable]]. There are monsters that can destroy or steal armor for you. Or you might find a way to burst out of your armor. Although you would most likely have to wait a long time for the RNG to deliver, in principle these things remain possible, so the game is still not strictly [[unwinnable]]. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 06:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Esteron: /* Teleporting items in shops */ new section

2017-04-05T20:02:12Z

Teleporting items in shops: new section

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	--[[User:Ozymandias\|Ozymandias]] ([[User talk:Ozymandias\|talk]]) 21:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)		--[[User:Ozymandias\|Ozymandias]] ([[User talk:Ozymandias\|talk]]) 21:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

			== Teleporting items in shops ==

			if you zap a wand of teleport at an item in a shop, you will still have to pay for it (at least in slash'em)

			--[[User:Esteron\|Esteron]] ([[User talk:Esteron\|talk]]) 20:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)