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Umbire the Phantom: header fix

2025-04-02T17:03:30Z

header fix

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2023-11-12T21:58:31Z

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Fyr: /* Monster detection, shopkeepers, priests */

2014-06-17T02:24:42Z

‎Monster detection, shopkeepers, priests

Tjr: /* Monster detection, shopkeepers, priests */ tell apart by movement pattern

2011-05-30T01:33:41Z

‎Monster detection, shopkeepers, priests: tell apart by movement pattern

Qazmlpok: /* Monster detection, shopkeepers, priests */

2011-05-30T01:30:59Z

‎Monster detection, shopkeepers, priests

Tjr at 00:28, 30 May 2011

2011-05-30T00:28:04Z

24.186.207.135 at 05:03, 19 May 2011

2011-05-19T05:03:59Z

Tjr: /* Bot work: please redirect shopkeeper names here */ new section

2011-05-14T13:20:56Z

‎Bot work: please redirect shopkeeper names here: new section

Tjr at 17:24, 18 August 2010

2010-08-18T17:24:38Z

Kahran042 at 15:37, 18 August 2010

2010-08-18T15:37:28Z

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 The real variable when fighting the shopkeeper seems to be his wands- if you have MR / reflection you are generally safe as long as the shopkeeper has remaining charges on a wand to fight you with: you could even try to donate a wand to help this perpetuate. If you can position yourself so that the shopkeeper is bouncing the rays past you into himself, and you can launch your own ranged attacks then the shopkeeper should go down. A starting wizard with MR and force bolt seems to be ideally equipped (leave the potions somewhere safe). Once the shopkeeper runs out of wands he will start hitting you: if you are low level you're in big trouble. --[[User:PeterGFin|PeterGFin]] 20:31, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
-= Shopkeeper Tactics w/ Pets ==
+== Shopkeeper Tactics w/ Pets ==
 While playing today, my pet Rock Troll (thank you [[Wand of Polymorph]]!) attacked a shopkeeper, who appeared to be a bit of a pushover, never zapping any wands or doing much of anything to defend himself. It seems shopkeepers fight using different tactics against non-players. Can anyone else confirm this?
 [[Special:Contributions/76.16.89.137|76.16.89.137]] 18:17, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

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 Playing, I was on Dlvl 4 when I ran into a shopkeeper, Asidonhopo, who, upon meeting me, stated that he was looking for a former player character, Tobias.  This occurred in a hallway, not at all near the shop.
 [[Special:Contributions/144.118.195.171|144.118.195.171]] 18:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Zophar
-* Not only was he looking for a former incarnation of you, that was a [[bones]] level. If you search around, you'll find your old corpse and all your inventory. Bones levels often include things that don't happen on a freshly-generated level - [[Keystone Kops]], corpses with no cause (traps etc excluded), partially eaten food, corroded weapons and the like. A Shopkeeper who left her/his store is one of these cases. Of an interesting note, if you name your character exactly the same thing (in this case Tobias), the Shopkeeper may *STILL* be angry with you, and would continue to pursue you! -- [[User:Kalon|Kalon]] 22:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
+* Not only was he looking for a former incarnation of you, that was a [[bones]] level. If you search around, you'll find your old corpse and all your inventory. Bones levels often include things that don't happen on a freshly-generated level - [[Keystone Kop (monster class)|Keystone Kops]], corpses with no cause (traps etc excluded), partially eaten food, corroded weapons and the like. A Shopkeeper who left her/his store is one of these cases. Of an interesting note, if you name your character exactly the same thing (in this case Tobias), the Shopkeeper may *STILL* be angry with you, and would continue to pursue you! -- [[User:Kalon|Kalon]] 22:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 Is the section on shopkeeper's items correct?  I just killed one, and he had a potion of confusion on him... which was not in the list of items on this page.
 : Could be a death drop. Did he have it on him alive (wand of probing)? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 21:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:: Answering my own question, priests move around while shopkeepers stand still in their doorway until you approach. (Level sounds are impractical for a speed run. I've definitely seen small shops without mimics. Arguably those aren't worth robbing anyway.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)		:: Answering my own question, priests move around while shopkeepers stand still in their doorway until you approach. (Level sounds are impractical for a speed run. I've definitely seen small shops without mimics. Arguably those aren't worth robbing anyway.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::Alternatively, you could make shopkeepers a distincive color with the [[MONSTERCOLOR]] option. [[User:Fyr\|Fyr]] ([[User talk:Fyr\|talk]]) 02:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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	I presume there is no way to tell shopkeepers and priests apart if all you have is unskilled monster detection? (Except that priests don't occur above level 8 and mimics are a sign of shops.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)		I presume there is no way to tell shopkeepers and priests apart if all you have is unskilled monster detection? (Except that priests don't occur above level 8 and mimics are a sign of shops.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
	:Shops have on-level messages, so you can use those as an unreliable method. Also, after dungeon level 8 there is only a very small chance that a shop will be generated with 0 mimics, so if you don't see any mimics it's almost certain a priest. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)		:Shops have on-level messages, so you can use those as an unreliable method. Also, after dungeon level 8 there is only a very small chance that a shop will be generated with 0 mimics, so if you don't see any mimics it's almost certain a priest. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:: Answering my own question, priests move around while shopkeepers stand still in their doorway until you approach. (Level sounds are impractical for a speed run. I've definitely seen small shops without mimics. Arguably those aren't worth robbing anyway.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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	I presume there is no way to tell shopkeepers and priests apart if all you have is unskilled monster detection? (Except that priests don't occur above level 8 and mimics are a sign of shops.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)		I presume there is no way to tell shopkeepers and priests apart if all you have is unskilled monster detection? (Except that priests don't occur above level 8 and mimics are a sign of shops.) --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Shops have on-level messages, so you can use those as an unreliable method. Also, after dungeon level 8 there is only a very small chance that a shop will be generated with 0 mimics, so if you don't see any mimics it's almost certain a priest. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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 :"You sneaky cad! Get out of here with that pick!" [[Pickup.c#line1985]] [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 17:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
-== Bot work: please redirect shopkeeper names here ==
+= Bot work: please redirect shopkeeper names here =
 Would a bot operator please redirect the shopkeeper names to [[Shopkeeper#Shopkeeper_names]] so that the search box will take people to the right place? Thank you. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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	What is this message? I've checked the source, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. --[[User:Kahran042\|Kahran042]] 15:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)		What is this message? I've checked the source, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. --[[User:Kahran042\|Kahran042]] 15:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
	:"You sneaky cad! Get out of here with that pick!" [[Pickup.c#line1985]] [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)		:"You sneaky cad! Get out of here with that pick!" [[Pickup.c#line1985]] [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Bot work: please redirect shopkeeper names here ==
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		+	Would a bot operator please redirect the shopkeeper names to [[Shopkeeper#Shopkeeper_names]] so that the search box will take people to the right place? Thank you. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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	<i>you get a message when un-bagging (a pick-axe/dwarven mattock)</i>		<i>you get a message when un-bagging (a pick-axe/dwarven mattock)</i>
	What is this message? I've checked the source, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. --[[User:Kahran042\|Kahran042]] 15:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)		What is this message? I've checked the source, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. --[[User:Kahran042\|Kahran042]] 15:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:"You sneaky cad! Get out of here with that pick!" [[Pickup.c#line1985]] [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:24, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

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	:: It looks a bit like C343-53 in the bugs of the homepage, but the shopkeeper was out of the shop. Oh well, bug report. [[User:Newtkiller\|Newtkiller]] 12:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)		:: It looks a bit like C343-53 in the bugs of the homepage, but the shopkeeper was out of the shop. Oh well, bug report. [[User:Newtkiller\|Newtkiller]] 12:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	==Unbagging message?==
		+	<i>you get a message when un-bagging (a pick-axe/dwarven mattock)</i>
		+	What is this message? I've checked the source, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. --[[User:Kahran042\|Kahran042]] 15:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)