Talk:Sokoban - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: reorganize

2026-05-02T01:47:10Z

reorganize

Umbire the Phantom: reply to larry

2026-05-02T01:31:04Z

reply to larry

LarryFluke: TTYREC Video links broken

2026-05-01T18:29:08Z

TTYREC Video links broken

Davek: /* Nethack 3.6 */

2019-06-22T03:43:24Z

‎Nethack 3.6

Davek: /* Nethack 3.6 */

2019-06-22T03:43:03Z

‎Nethack 3.6

Bluescreenofdeath: /* Nethack 3.6 */

2019-06-21T15:03:22Z

‎Nethack 3.6

Davek: /* Nethack 3.6 */ new section

2019-06-19T17:19:16Z

‎Nethack 3.6: new section

Bejonas: /* Naming the levels */ new section

2016-08-03T10:36:08Z

‎Naming the levels: new section

64.229.131.22 at 06:54, 17 December 2015

2015-12-17T06:54:02Z

Delbow: /* The devteam did not think of everything? */ tested

2015-12-17T06:27:40Z

‎The devteam did not think of everything?: tested

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 I've taken the liberty to create pages for all 8 sokoban levels. I've included a screenshot and a full solution for each one of them.
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 ::::All levels have been reformatted now. --[[User:ZeroOne|ZeroOne]] 18:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 :::::Wow, thanks for patching up my solutions, they look much better this way! --[[User:BlackShift|BlackShift]] 06:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 == Sokoban or sokoban? ==
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 :It is harder because the effective level difficulty now counts up instead of down as you go further upward. If you're on, say, Sokoban:2, in vanilla that would count as a depth of 2 but in 3.6 it counts as a depth of 10! So you'll encounter much harder monsters. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 :I've taken to ping-ponging between sokoban and the mines, because I can't do sokoban in one shot.  Nice to know I'm not going crazy.  -- [[User:Davek|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek|talk]]) 03:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

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 Each of the pages for the individual levels, like https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_1a, contains a "TTYREC video" link. These links do not work for me, and they haven't for at least 10 years. They navigate successfully to a www.alt.org page that tries to play a video, but the video player just reports, "ERROR: Zero length file". Do the TTYREC videos ever work? Would anyone mind if I removed those links? The YouTube video links work and should be sufficient.
 --[[User:LarryFluke|LarryFluke]] ([[User talk:LarryFluke|talk]]) 18:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
 == Sokoban or sokoban? ==

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 ::::All levels have been reformatted now. --[[User:ZeroOne|ZeroOne]] 18:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 :::::Wow, thanks for patching up my solutions, they look much better this way! --[[User:BlackShift|BlackShift]] 06:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 == Sokoban or sokoban? ==

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 This is the 2nd game in a row where I've gotten to the 2nd level of sokoban and been assaulted with leocrotta, full-grown naga, and even air elementals.  This last one I entered as a level 2 wizard and had to run away because there were too many wolves and golems.  Am I just having bad luck, or is it harder in 3.6?  -- [[User:Davek|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek|talk]]) 17:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 :It is harder because the effective level difficulty now counts up instead of down as you go further upward. If you're on, say, Sokoban:2, in vanilla that would count as a depth of 2 but in 3.6 it counts as a depth of 10! So you'll encounter much harder monsters. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
-:I've taken to ping-ponging between sokoban and the mines, because I can't to sokoban in one shot.  Nice to know I'm not going crazy.  -- [[User:Davek|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek|talk]]) 03:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
+:I've taken to ping-ponging between sokoban and the mines, because I can't do sokoban in one shot.  Nice to know I'm not going crazy.  -- [[User:Davek|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek|talk]]) 03:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

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 == Nethack 3.6 ==
-This is the 2nd game in a row where I've gotten to the 2nd level of sokoban and been assaulted with lecrotta, full-grown naga, and even air elementals.  This last one I entered as a level 2 wizard and had to run away because there were too many wolves and golems.  Am I just having bad luck, or is it harder in 3.6?  -- [[User:Davek|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek|talk]]) 17:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
+This is the 2nd game in a row where I've gotten to the 2nd level of sokoban and been assaulted with leocrotta, full-grown naga, and even air elementals.  This last one I entered as a level 2 wizard and had to run away because there were too many wolves and golems.  Am I just having bad luck, or is it harder in 3.6?  -- [[User:Davek|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek|talk]]) 17:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 :It is harder because the effective level difficulty now counts up instead of down as you go further upward. If you're on, say, Sokoban:2, in vanilla that would count as a depth of 2 but in 3.6 it counts as a depth of 10! So you'll encounter much harder monsters. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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	This is the 2nd game in a row where I've gotten to the 2nd level of sokoban and been assaulted with lecrotta, full-grown naga, and even air elementals. This last one I entered as a level 2 wizard and had to run away because there were too many wolves and golems. Am I just having bad luck, or is it harder in 3.6? -- [[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 17:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)		This is the 2nd game in a row where I've gotten to the 2nd level of sokoban and been assaulted with lecrotta, full-grown naga, and even air elementals. This last one I entered as a level 2 wizard and had to run away because there were too many wolves and golems. Am I just having bad luck, or is it harder in 3.6? -- [[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 17:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
		+	:It is harder because the effective level difficulty now counts up instead of down as you go further upward. If you're on, say, Sokoban:2, in vanilla that would count as a depth of 2 but in 3.6 it counts as a depth of 10! So you'll encounter much harder monsters. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath\|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath\|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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	Note that there's some confusion about which Sokoban level is called 2a and which one is called 2b. This wiki calls the hard version 2a and the easy one 2b, but the older spoilers at [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/soko-331.html#lev_2b] and [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/soko-alt.html#lev2_vb] call the hard level 2b. I don't know right now what we should do about this confusion (maybe we need entirely new names, like 2easy and 2hard), but I wanted to point it out so you at least know. I haven't checked if the spoilers agree on the other levels. [[User:Bejonas\|Bejonas]] ([[User talk:Bejonas\|talk]]) 10:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)		Note that there's some confusion about which Sokoban level is called 2a and which one is called 2b. This wiki calls the hard version 2a and the easy one 2b, but the older spoilers at [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/soko-331.html#lev_2b] and [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/soko-alt.html#lev2_vb] call the hard level 2b. I don't know right now what we should do about this confusion (maybe we need entirely new names, like 2easy and 2hard), but I wanted to point it out so you at least know. I haven't checked if the spoilers agree on the other levels. [[User:Bejonas\|Bejonas]] ([[User talk:Bejonas\|talk]]) 10:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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		+	== Nethack 3.6 ==
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		+	This is the 2nd game in a row where I've gotten to the 2nd level of sokoban and been assaulted with lecrotta, full-grown naga, and even air elementals. This last one I entered as a level 2 wizard and had to run away because there were too many wolves and golems. Am I just having bad luck, or is it harder in 3.6? -- [[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 17:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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	:::I find it much easier when there are less boulders on the way. Most solutions come down to pushing a clear space/corridor to maneuver the other boulders. On 4a for example, we have 18 boulders for 16 holes so I remove C and D this way, which not only save time pushing boulders around, but also make it easy enough for me to do it without the guide.		:::I find it much easier when there are less boulders on the way. Most solutions come down to pushing a clear space/corridor to maneuver the other boulders. On 4a for example, we have 18 boulders for 16 holes so I remove C and D this way, which not only save time pushing boulders around, but also make it easy enough for me to do it without the guide.
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		+	== Naming the levels ==
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		+	Note that there's some confusion about which Sokoban level is called 2a and which one is called 2b. This wiki calls the hard version 2a and the easy one 2b, but the older spoilers at [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/soko-331.html#lev_2b] and [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/soko-alt.html#lev2_vb] call the hard level 2b. I don't know right now what we should do about this confusion (maybe we need entirely new names, like 2easy and 2hard), but I wanted to point it out so you at least know. I haven't checked if the spoilers agree on the other levels. [[User:Bejonas\|Bejonas]] ([[User talk:Bejonas\|talk]]) 10:36, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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	::Interesting thought. I just tested it out in wizmode and did not lose luck for filling a pit I dug with a boulder. I'm having a hard time imagining a case when I both am able to move a boulder and making it disappear works towards my benefit in Sokoban -- usually I either can move them OR I want them to die -- but it's definitely an option for you. (Possibly the devteam didn't make it a penalty because pushing boulders into holes and pits is the central mechanic of the game -- maybe they should have made all the floors digproof, too. Or maybe they intended this.) [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)		::Interesting thought. I just tested it out in wizmode and did not lose luck for filling a pit I dug with a boulder. I'm having a hard time imagining a case when I both am able to move a boulder and making it disappear works towards my benefit in Sokoban -- usually I either can move them OR I want them to die -- but it's definitely an option for you. (Possibly the devteam didn't make it a penalty because pushing boulders into holes and pits is the central mechanic of the game -- maybe they should have made all the floors digproof, too. Or maybe they intended this.) [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
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		+	:::I find it much easier when there are less boulders on the way. Most solutions come down to pushing a clear space/corridor to maneuver the other boulders. On 4a for example, we have 18 boulders for 16 holes so I remove C and D this way, which not only save time pushing boulders around, but also make it easy enough for me to do it without the guide.

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	I noticed the luck section does not mention digging pits to remove boulders. Did I miss something or we can freely remove some boulders to make space that way without losing luck?		I noticed the luck section does not mention digging pits to remove boulders. Did I miss something or we can freely remove some boulders to make space that way without losing luck?
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		+	::Interesting thought. I just tested it out in wizmode and did not lose luck for filling a pit I dug with a boulder. I'm having a hard time imagining a case when I both am able to move a boulder and making it disappear works towards my benefit in Sokoban -- usually I either can move them OR I want them to die -- but it's definitely an option for you. (Possibly the devteam didn't make it a penalty because pushing boulders into holes and pits is the central mechanic of the game -- maybe they should have made all the floors digproof, too. Or maybe they intended this.) [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)