Talk:Spellbook - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* List of spellbooks */ +1

2026-02-19T09:25:15Z

‎List of spellbooks: +1

Tomsod: /* List of spellbooks */ or footnotes

2026-02-19T09:19:01Z

‎List of spellbooks: or footnotes

Umbire the Phantom: /* List of spellbooks */ further reply

2026-02-18T22:34:35Z

‎List of spellbooks: further reply

Umbire the Phantom: reply

2026-02-18T22:19:15Z

Tomsod: /* List of spellbooks */ works for me

2026-02-18T15:47:29Z

‎List of spellbooks: works for me

Umbire the Phantom: /* List of spellbooks */ reply

2026-02-18T05:55:53Z

‎List of spellbooks: reply

Tomsod: /* List of spellbooks */ sorting them by level is a feature I missed before

2026-02-18T04:09:13Z

‎List of spellbooks: sorting them by level is a feature I missed before

Umbire the Phantom: /* List of spellbooks */ new section

2026-02-15T04:05:14Z

‎List of spellbooks: new section

Umbire the Phantom: /* Probabilities */

2024-11-23T22:49:53Z

‎Probabilities

Mackeyth: /* To-hit probabilities */ new section

2020-05-18T03:05:51Z

‎To-hit probabilities: new section

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	:::: I think these three are the only books with special behavior, so it might not be worth adding an entire column for that; footnotes like in the [[scroll]] article are a possible alternative, likely with the "noinclude" tag. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 09:19, 19 February 2026 (UTC)		:::: I think these three are the only books with special behavior, so it might not be worth adding an entire column for that; footnotes like in the [[scroll]] article are a possible alternative, likely with the "noinclude" tag. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 09:19, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	:::Yeah, should work just as well. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

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	:::In fact, we should also be able to include notes about what special properties the books themselves have (e.g. fireball being fireproof, polymorph not turning into other books, cancellation being immune to cancelling, etc.) in their own column, ideally without stretching it too much wider--I'll see about that once the new table's established. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:34, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		:::In fact, we should also be able to include notes about what special properties the books themselves have (e.g. fireball being fireproof, polymorph not turning into other books, cancellation being immune to cancelling, etc.) in their own column, ideally without stretching it too much wider--I'll see about that once the new table's established. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:34, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	:::: I think these three are the only books with special behavior, so it might not be worth adding an entire column for that; footnotes like in the [[scroll]] article are a possible alternative, likely with the "noinclude" tag. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 09:19, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

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	::Aha, interesting. Then it's at least ''possible'' we can make a unified table using one section instead of several. There's still a lot of other missing info to account for, but I think we should be able to swing back around to this within the week, if not the same day/tomorrow. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		::Aha, interesting. Then it's at least ''possible'' we can make a unified table using one section instead of several. There's still a lot of other missing info to account for, but I think we should be able to swing back around to this within the week, if not the same day/tomorrow. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	:::In fact, we should also be able to include notes about what special properties the books themselves have (e.g. fireball being fireproof, polymorph not turning into other books, cancellation being immune to cancelling, etc.) in their own column, ideally without stretching it too much wider--I'll see about that once the new table's established. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:34, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	::: Well it [[User:Tomsod/Test lst\|seems]] to [[User:Tomsod/Test spellbook\|work]] for me. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 15:46, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		::: Well it [[User:Tomsod/Test lst\|seems]] to [[User:Tomsod/Test spellbook\|work]] for me. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 15:46, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	::Aha, interesting. Then it's at least ''possible'' we can make a unified table using one section instead of several. There's still a lot of other missing info to account for, but I think we should be able to swing back around to this within the week, if not the same day/tomorrow. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	::Not that I'm currently aware of, though my suspicion is "no"—would have to ask cathartes about it. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:55, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		::Not that I'm currently aware of, though my suspicion is "no"—would have to ask cathartes about it. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:55, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	::: Well it [[User:Tomsod/Test lst\|seems]] to [[User:Tomsod/Test spellbook\|work]] for me. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 15:46, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	: A separate list article would just necessitate more clicking, and other item types don't have those either, despite also being populous. A single table that can be sorted e.g. by level would be nice though; can only parts of a table be transcluded? [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 04:08, 18 February 2026 (UTC)		: A separate list article would just necessitate more clicking, and other item types don't have those either, despite also being populous. A single table that can be sorted e.g. by level would be nice though; can only parts of a table be transcluded? [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 04:08, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	::Not that I'm currently aware of, though my suspicion is "no"—would have to ask cathartes about it. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:55, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	With how big this article's gotten even before my recent work on it, and considering the amount of variant stuff that's both "present but insufficiently covered" and "has yet to be covered", I think what would you say to retooling the list of spellbooks in a way that's easier to display? This does include potentially giving the list its own article, though I'm not wedded to that solution (and in particular I'm hoping for something that allows cathartes to maintain the table transclusions he set up for spell schools). There's no timetable for any of this, and that's IF it's decided we do anything at all, so feel free to brainstorm below. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 04:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)		With how big this article's gotten even before my recent work on it, and considering the amount of variant stuff that's both "present but insufficiently covered" and "has yet to be covered", I think what would you say to retooling the list of spellbooks in a way that's easier to display? This does include potentially giving the list its own article, though I'm not wedded to that solution (and in particular I'm hoping for something that allows cathartes to maintain the table transclusions he set up for spell schools). There's no timetable for any of this, and that's IF it's decided we do anything at all, so feel free to brainstorm below. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 04:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
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		+	: A separate list article would just necessitate more clicking, and other item types don't have those either, despite also being populous. A single table that can be sorted e.g. by level would be nice though; can only parts of a table be transcluded? [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 04:08, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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	Which spells have an improved to-hit chance when cast at higher skill levels? Do spells cast at unskilled have a to-hit penalty? What is the bonus (or penalty) at each skill level? --[[User:Mackeyth\|Mackeyth]] ([[User talk:Mackeyth\|talk]]) 03:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)		Which spells have an improved to-hit chance when cast at higher skill levels? Do spells cast at unskilled have a to-hit penalty? What is the bonus (or penalty) at each skill level? --[[User:Mackeyth\|Mackeyth]] ([[User talk:Mackeyth\|talk]]) 03:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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		+	== List of spellbooks ==
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		+	With how big this article's gotten even before my recent work on it, and considering the amount of variant stuff that's both "present but insufficiently covered" and "has yet to be covered", I think what would you say to retooling the list of spellbooks in a way that's easier to display? This does include potentially giving the list its own article, though I'm not wedded to that solution (and in particular I'm hoping for something that allows cathartes to maintain the table transclusions he set up for spell schools). There's no timetable for any of this, and that's IF it's decided we do anything at all, so feel free to brainstorm below. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 04:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

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 :: The answer to the first question is 'no'. Take a look at the Source: The probabilities are all given in ‰ (per thousand), of which the spellbook of blank paper 'occupies' 18. The list is based on the remaining 982 parts, translated to percent. It would be much simpler to translate the thousandths to percent and list them. The resulting percentages would have maximum one decimal place and be ''exact''. (I am mathematician enough to bother about that.)
 :: [[User:Why are all the names taken?|Why are all the names taken?]] 10:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 == difficult to comprehend? ==

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	: If you'd like to merge it, you're welcome to. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)		: If you'd like to merge it, you're welcome to. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Done. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 01:56, 6 November 2011 (UTC)		::Done. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 01:56, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== To-hit probabilities ==
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		+	Which spells have an improved to-hit chance when cast at higher skill levels? Do spells cast at unskilled have a to-hit penalty? What is the bonus (or penalty) at each skill level? --[[User:Mackeyth\|Mackeyth]] ([[User talk:Mackeyth\|talk]]) 03:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)