Talk:Spellbook of drain life - Revision history

Qazmlpok at 00:42, 29 April 2012

2012-04-29T00:42:44Z

Tjr: can't make items negative

2012-04-28T21:05:13Z

can't make items negative

63.229.231.52: /* Disenchanting items */ new section

2012-04-28T19:18:29Z

‎Disenchanting items: new section

Tjr: /* Clarification of life/level draining. */

2011-03-20T17:10:03Z

‎Clarification of life/level draining.

Tjr: good idea

2011-03-20T17:08:36Z

good idea

Blackcustard: Suggestion to reformat the level/life drain information in the wiki.

2011-03-17T19:09:47Z

Suggestion to reformat the level/life drain information in the wiki.

Tjr: /* Draining does reduce HP to zero */ you're right

2011-01-26T15:03:05Z

‎Draining does reduce HP to zero: you're right

Usethe4ce: /* Draining does reduce HP to zero */

2011-01-26T14:48:23Z

‎Draining does reduce HP to zero

Tjr: /* Draining does reduce HP to zero */ Experience_level also

2011-01-26T11:17:14Z

‎Draining does reduce HP to zero: Experience_level also

Tjr: Draining does reduce HP to zero

2011-01-26T09:06:05Z

Draining does reduce HP to zero

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 == Disenchanting items ==
-The article mentions draining positively-enchanted items for a chance to enchant them further, but it doesn't cover draining items that you wish were very negative.  What are the limits of that?  Do the items explode if you push their enchantment too negative?  This could be of particular interest to [[Pacifist|pacifists]] who can significantly benefit from negatively enchanted [[The Staff of Aesculapius|weapons]].  It also might be worth mentioning that you can't disenchant rings with the spell (unless you can, in which case I need to start doing that...)
+The article mentions draining positively-enchanted items for a chance to enchant them further, but it doesn't cover draining items that you wish were very negative.  What are the limits of that?  Do the items explode if you push their enchantment too negative?  This could be of particular interest to [[Pacifist|pacifists]] who can significantly benefit from negatively enchanted [[The Staff of Aesculapius|weapons]].  It also might be worth mentioning that you can't disenchant rings with the spell (unless you can, in which case I need to start doing that...) {{unsigned|63.229.231.52}}
 :I think the limit is 0: you can't make items' enchantment (more) negative. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 21:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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	The article mentions draining positively-enchanted items for a chance to enchant them further, but it doesn't cover draining items that you wish were very negative. What are the limits of that? Do the items explode if you push their enchantment too negative? This could be of particular interest to [[Pacifist\|pacifists]] who can significantly benefit from negatively enchanted [[The Staff of Aesculapius\|weapons]]. It also might be worth mentioning that you can't disenchant rings with the spell (unless you can, in which case I need to start doing that...)		The article mentions draining positively-enchanted items for a chance to enchant them further, but it doesn't cover draining items that you wish were very negative. What are the limits of that? Do the items explode if you push their enchantment too negative? This could be of particular interest to [[Pacifist\|pacifists]] who can significantly benefit from negatively enchanted [[The Staff of Aesculapius\|weapons]]. It also might be worth mentioning that you can't disenchant rings with the spell (unless you can, in which case I need to start doing that...)
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		+	:I think the limit is 0: you can't make items' enchantment (more) negative. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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	: Good plan. I propose [[level drain]]. You might want to add a SLASHEM section with [[Thiefbane]] and [[wand of draining]], too. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)		: Good plan. I propose [[level drain]]. You might want to add a SLASHEM section with [[Thiefbane]] and [[wand of draining]], too. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Disenchanting items ==
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		+	The article mentions draining positively-enchanted items for a chance to enchant them further, but it doesn't cover draining items that you wish were very negative. What are the limits of that? Do the items explode if you push their enchantment too negative? This could be of particular interest to [[Pacifist\|pacifists]] who can significantly benefit from negatively enchanted [[The Staff of Aesculapius\|weapons]]. It also might be worth mentioning that you can't disenchant rings with the spell (unless you can, in which case I need to start doing that...)

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	[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 19:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)		[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 19:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

−	: Good plan. I propose [[level drain]]. You might want to add a ~~pointer to~~ [[Thiefbane]], too. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)	+	: Good plan. I propose [[level drain]]. You might want to add a SLASHEM section with [[Thiefbane]] and [[wand of draining]], too. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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	[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 19:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)		[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 19:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	: Good plan. I propose [[level drain]]. You might want to add a pointer to [[Thiefbane]], too. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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	::You're right, I'm sorry. [[Source:Mhitu.c#line2313]] means a different foocubus effect is the culprit. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		::You're right, I'm sorry. [[Source:Mhitu.c#line2313]] means a different foocubus effect is the culprit. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	==Clarification of life/level draining.==
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		+	There are _3_ separate types of drain life/level attacks in the game, those of monsters, those of stormy and the staff, and the spell. All do different amounts of damage and are used in different ways, but are very similar. The life/level drain of stormy and the staff doesn't even have a page. I think we should have one page for all 3, so they could be properly compared. We would want to leave this page, because every other spellbook gets its own page, but the specific information about the spell could be duplicated or wholey moved to this new page. Drain resistance would also still need its own page.
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		+	Also, what are we calling it, drain life or drain level?
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		+	See the "Staff" section on [[Talk:Artifact_weapon\|The artifact weapon talk page]] for a long discussion + citations and damage figures.
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		+	Pages related to draining and drain resistance:
		+	http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Drain_life_%28monster_attack%29
		+	http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Spellbook_of_drain_life
		+	http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Drain_resistance
		+	http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Drain_life
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		+	and maybe: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wand_of_draining
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		+	Foocubi and prayer related draining is pretty different, since its not an attack at all. That should stay separate I think.
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		+	Thoughts?
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		+	[[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 19:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

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	:I looked at it quite a while to be sure before changing anything, specifically {{sourcecode\|Exper.c\|146}}, where the new HP is deliberately kept to a minimum of 1. Your example with the succubus seems to be from HP loss ("You feel exhausted") rather than level drain ("You feel out of shape"). --[[User:Usethe4ce\|Usethe4ce]] 14:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		:I looked at it quite a while to be sure before changing anything, specifically {{sourcecode\|Exper.c\|146}}, where the new HP is deliberately kept to a minimum of 1. Your example with the succubus seems to be from HP loss ("You feel exhausted") rather than level drain ("You feel out of shape"). --[[User:Usethe4ce\|Usethe4ce]] 14:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	::You're right, I'm sorry. [[Source:Mhitu.c#line2313]] means a different foocubus effect is the culprit. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 15:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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	[[Experience_level]] also needs to be corrected. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		[[Experience_level]] also needs to be corrected. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:I looked at it quite a while to be sure before changing anything, specifically {{sourcecode\|Exper.c\|146}}, where the new HP is deliberately kept to a minimum of 1. Your example with the succubus seems to be from HP loss ("You feel exhausted") rather than level drain ("You feel out of shape"). --[[User:Usethe4ce\|Usethe4ce]] 14:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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	Example of succubus level drain killing an XP3 character: http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/t/tjr2/dumplog/1275338192.nh343.txt		Example of succubus level drain killing an XP3 character: http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/t/tjr2/dumplog/1275338192.nh343.txt
	--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	[[Experience_level]] also needs to be corrected. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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	-- Yes, unless you kill it in one single casting. Gaining exprerience is based on the monster's current experience (before the spell) [[Source:Exper.c#experience]], and drain life updates a monsters level only after it has determined the monster will survive [[Zap.c#line330]].		-- Yes, unless you kill it in one single casting. Gaining exprerience is based on the monster's current experience (before the spell) [[Source:Exper.c#experience]], and drain life updates a monsters level only after it has determined the monster will survive [[Zap.c#line330]].
	[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
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		+	==Draining does reduce HP to zero==
		+	Usethe4ce removed the other fatal side of level drain, I propose to re-add them.
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		+	Steps to reproduce (not wiztested): wound yourself so that you have 17hp left, then cast drain lift on yourself. Drain life does at most 16 points of damage, so the damage won't kill you. However, losing or gaining a level seems to preserve (maxHP-HP), and since it reduces maxHP, it also reduces your current hit points further.
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		+	Example of succubus level drain killing an XP3 character: http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/t/tjr2/dumplog/1275338192.nh343.txt
		+	--[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)