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Ardub23 moved page Talk:Standard strategy - SLASH'EM to Talk:Standard strategy (SLASH'EM): Parentheses for consistency with similar pages

Ion frigate at 03:25, 18 July 2011

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220.255.2.29: /* Stacking half-damage artifacts */

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‎Stacking half-damage artifacts

Ion frigate: /* Stacking half-damage artifacts */

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‎Stacking half-damage artifacts

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‎Stacking half-damage artifacts

Slandor: /* Stacking half-damage artifacts */

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‎Stacking half-damage artifacts

Ion frigate at 19:24, 11 June 2010

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===Stacking half-damage artifacts===
Can Neutrals really make themselves nigh-invulnerable by obtaining the Orb of Fate, Gauntlets of Defense, and Hand of Vecna? According to the half physical damage page, half damage is an intrinsic and doesn't stack; is this different in SLASH'EM? -- [[User:Slandor|Slandor]] 15:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	[[Whisperfeet]] is listed on this page as a suggested wish, but on its own page it says it is not really a good wish. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.29\|220.255.2.29]] 14:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)		[[Whisperfeet]] is listed on this page as a suggested wish, but on its own page it says it is not really a good wish. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.29\|220.255.2.29]] 14:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Not surprising really, as this wiki is written by a lot of different people. I'll go through and look at that section though. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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	::The page explicitly says (somewhere else) that the GoDefense are cumulative with other half damage artifacts. Maybe we should try to figure out who added that and where they got it from? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:49, June 20, 2010 (UTC)		::The page explicitly says (somewhere else) that the GoDefense are cumulative with other half damage artifacts. Maybe we should try to figure out who added that and where they got it from? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:49, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Probably not worth it; a lot of people could have added that, because it's pretty intuitive that half physical damage would stack that way, and the randomness of damage in nethack/SLASH'EM would make it hard to tell for sure if that's the case or not. I know I thought it worked that way until I saw that it couldn't in the source code, and in fact I probably included that "fact" when I rewrote the section on artifacts (I think it had been present before, but I can't honestly remember). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 23:22, June 20, 2010 (UTC)		:::Probably not worth it; a lot of people could have added that, because it's pretty intuitive that half physical damage would stack that way, and the randomness of damage in nethack/SLASH'EM would make it hard to tell for sure if that's the case or not. I know I thought it worked that way until I saw that it couldn't in the source code, and in fact I probably included that "fact" when I rewrote the section on artifacts (I think it had been present before, but I can't honestly remember). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 23:22, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	[[Whisperfeet]] is listed on this page as a suggested wish, but on its own page it says it is not really a good wish. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.29\|220.255.2.29]] 14:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

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	:Also a really minor nitpick -- Lawfuls can use one of the new artifact armors, the really useful-looking Crown of St. Edward; but only neutrals can get artifact armor from sacrificing (which, as I said, seems a lot more reliable). Anyway, the overall point that neutrals still have the advantage with artifacts seems dead on. -- [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 04:13, June 12, 2010 (UTC)		:Also a really minor nitpick -- Lawfuls can use one of the new artifact armors, the really useful-looking Crown of St. Edward; but only neutrals can get artifact armor from sacrificing (which, as I said, seems a lot more reliable). Anyway, the overall point that neutrals still have the advantage with artifacts seems dead on. -- [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 04:13, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
	::The page explicitly says (somewhere else) that the GoDefense are cumulative with other half damage artifacts. Maybe we should try to figure out who added that and where they got it from? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:49, June 20, 2010 (UTC)		::The page explicitly says (somewhere else) that the GoDefense are cumulative with other half damage artifacts. Maybe we should try to figure out who added that and where they got it from? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:49, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:::Probably not worth it; a lot of people could have added that, because it's pretty intuitive that half physical damage would stack that way, and the randomness of damage in nethack/SLASH'EM would make it hard to tell for sure if that's the case or not. I know I thought it worked that way until I saw that it couldn't in the source code, and in fact I probably included that "fact" when I rewrote the section on artifacts (I think it had been present before, but I can't honestly remember). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 23:22, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

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	:You could also get half spell damage from the PYEC, which is lighter. Might be a question as to whether you prefer levelport or unlimited charging. Actually, so far my incredibly limited experience is that SLASH'EM generates so many artifacts that artifact wishing is unreliable. (But the point about half spell damage is a very good one -- at least in Vanilla it seems a lot more important in the late game.)		:You could also get half spell damage from the PYEC, which is lighter. Might be a question as to whether you prefer levelport or unlimited charging. Actually, so far my incredibly limited experience is that SLASH'EM generates so many artifacts that artifact wishing is unreliable. (But the point about half spell damage is a very good one -- at least in Vanilla it seems a lot more important in the late game.)
	:Also a really minor nitpick -- Lawfuls can use one of the new artifact armors, the really useful-looking Crown of St. Edward; but only neutrals can get artifact armor from sacrificing (which, as I said, seems a lot more reliable). Anyway, the overall point that neutrals still have the advantage with artifacts seems dead on. -- [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 04:13, June 12, 2010 (UTC)		:Also a really minor nitpick -- Lawfuls can use one of the new artifact armors, the really useful-looking Crown of St. Edward; but only neutrals can get artifact armor from sacrificing (which, as I said, seems a lot more reliable). Anyway, the overall point that neutrals still have the advantage with artifacts seems dead on. -- [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 04:13, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
		+	::The page explicitly says (somewhere else) that the GoDefense are cumulative with other half damage artifacts. Maybe we should try to figure out who added that and where they got it from? --[[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 18:49, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

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 Can Neutrals really make themselves nigh-invulnerable by obtaining the Orb of Fate, Gauntlets of Defense, and Hand of Vecna? According to the half physical damage page, half damage is an intrinsic and doesn't stack; is this different in SLASH'EM? -- [[User:Slandor|Slandor]] 15:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:It doesn't seem that SLASH'EM is any different in that regard, so I'll go ahead and remove that.  It's certainly well worth carrying the Orb of Fate and the Hand of Vecna together though, given that the latter provides hungerless regeneration and the former half spell damage.  But you're not going to make yourself invulnerable that way. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 19:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
+:It doesn't seem that SLASH'EM is any different in that regard, so I'll go ahead and remove that. It's certainly well worth carrying the Orb of Fate and the Hand of Vecna together though, given that the latter provides hungerless regeneration and the former half spell damage. But you're not going to make yourself invulnerable that way. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 19:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	Can Neutrals really make themselves nigh-invulnerable by obtaining the Orb of Fate, Gauntlets of Defense, and Hand of Vecna? According to the half physical damage page, half damage is an intrinsic and doesn't stack; is this different in SLASH'EM? -- [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 15:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)		Can Neutrals really make themselves nigh-invulnerable by obtaining the Orb of Fate, Gauntlets of Defense, and Hand of Vecna? According to the half physical damage page, half damage is an intrinsic and doesn't stack; is this different in SLASH'EM? -- [[User:Slandor\|Slandor]] 15:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:It doesn't seem that SLASH'EM is any different in that regard, so I'll go ahead and remove that. It's certainly well worth carrying the Orb of Fate and the Hand of Vecna together though, given that the latter provides hungerless regeneration and the former half spell damage. But you're not going to make yourself invulnerable that way. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 19:24, June 11, 2010 (UTC)