Talk:Statue - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea */

2021-12-23T15:24:21Z

‎whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea

D4 wryyyy: /* whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea */ new section

2021-12-23T09:27:27Z

‎whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea: new section

AileTheAlien: /* Oracle Probabilities */

2011-03-22T03:31:22Z

‎Oracle Probabilities

Tjr: The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size.

2011-03-19T23:57:10Z

The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size.

AileTheAlien: /* Oracle Probabilities */

2011-03-18T20:20:57Z

‎Oracle Probabilities

AileTheAlien: /* Oracle Probabilities */ new section

2011-03-18T20:12:13Z

‎Oracle Probabilities: new section

DemonSlayerThe3rd: /* I like Oracle statues */

2010-09-17T00:10:31Z

‎I like Oracle statues

Paxed: /* Oracle statue weight */ It's C343-36

2009-07-10T11:51:09Z

‎Oracle statue weight: It's C343-36

Tjr: /* Oracle statue weight */

2009-07-09T14:15:06Z

‎Oracle statue weight

Tjr: /* Oracle statue weight */

2009-07-09T13:40:20Z

‎Oracle statue weight

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	so it seems kinda dangerous. anyone have a better idea of how to express this to newbies without offending mister umbrie, who asked me to "Avoid additional comments like that" when he deleted it?[[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)		so it seems kinda dangerous. anyone have a better idea of how to express this to newbies without offending mister umbrie, who asked me to "Avoid additional comments like that" when he deleted it?[[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:I removed that not because of any perceived """offensiveness""", but because it doesn't seem to make much sense to presume new players would try it to begin with. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 15:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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	:::Should have been more explicit; The probabilities were not matching because between simulating the even/odd levels, I was getting different dice rolls on my pseudorandom number generator. Hence they did not match exactly. Anyways, I wrote the program which calculates the exact probabilities, all even/odd levels match, and it's accurate to more decimals than are used in the chart. Done. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 03:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)		:::Should have been more explicit; The probabilities were not matching because between simulating the even/odd levels, I was getting different dice rolls on my pseudorandom number generator. Hence they did not match exactly. Anyways, I wrote the program which calculates the exact probabilities, all even/odd levels match, and it's accurate to more decimals than are used in the chart. Done. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 03:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea ==
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		+	i added the messages for applying an ax to a statue rather than a pick-axe because, scanning the source, it looks like it can kill you.
		+	a mister [[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] has since come and deleted my comment that this is "probably a bad idea."
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		+	i don't want to say for sure "this can kill you" because i'm not perfectly versed in the source code, but the line to which i referred in my annotation, in dig.c, says:
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		+	'''if (vibrate) losehp(2, "axing a hard object", KILLED_BY);'''
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		+	so it seems kinda dangerous. anyone have a better idea of how to express this to newbies without offending mister umbrie, who asked me to "Avoid additional comments like that" when he deleted it?[[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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 --[[User:AileTheAlien|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
-* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
+: BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 ::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode|mkobj.c|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

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	* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)		* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode\|mkobj.c\|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

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	If anyone needs it, I can upload the script, if given basic instructions about how/where to do that.		If anyone needs it, I can upload the script, if given basic instructions about how/where to do that.
	--[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)		--[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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		+	* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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	:The same code is responsible for '''C343-36''': ''Weight of corpses on special levels may not be calculated correctly'', which will be fixed in next version. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] 11:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)		:The same code is responsible for '''C343-36''': ''Weight of corpses on special levels may not be calculated correctly'', which will be fixed in next version. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] 11:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Oracle Probabilities ==
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		+	I never was happy with the table on [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/343/misc-343.html#statues steelypips], since it averaged out the probability over several levels ''and then'' tabulated the chances of finding certain numbers of spellbooks.
		+	I wrote up a quick Python script to randomly generate millions of levels' worth of Oracle statues and add up the numbers of spellbooks.
		+	Weird thing is that even with millions of runs, I still seem to only get one decimal place of accuracy.
		+	(e.g. Level 6 matches level 7 up to the first decimal only.)
		+	Probably need to go back and read some math texts again to see why that happens.
		+	If anyone needs it, I can upload the script, if given basic instructions about how/where to do that.
		+	--[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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	My wizard found a spellbook of finger of death in one :P [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)		My wizard found a spellbook of finger of death in one :P [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	: Wow, this will make my adventures to Sokoban much more fun! LOL![[User:DemonSlayerThe3rd\|- - DemonSlayerThe3 :: The Neutral Gnomish Wizard, with my kitten Ellinis!]] 00:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

	== Oracle statue weight ==		== Oracle statue weight ==

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	-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)		-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:The same code is responsible for '''C343-36''': ''Weight of corpses on special levels may not be calculated correctly'', which will be fixed in next version. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] 11:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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 ! Predicted weight
 |-
-|Forest centaur     ||    2200 ||    382500
+|Forest centaur     ||    22 ||    3825
 |-
-|Forest centaur     ||    127500 ||    382500
+|Forest centaur     ||    1275 ||    3825
 |-
-|Mountain centaur     ||    1500 ||    382500
+|Mountain centaur     ||    15 ||    3825
 |-
-|Mountain centaur     ||    4500 ||    382500
+|Mountain centaur     ||    45 ||    3825
 |-
-|Plains centaur     ||    60000 ||    375000
+|Plains centaur     ||    600 ||    3750
 |-
-|Plains centaur     ||    3000 ||    375000
+|Plains centaur     ||    30 ||    3750
 |-
-|Plains centaur     ||    135000 ||    375000
+|Plains centaur     ||    1350 ||    3750
 |-
-|Plains centaur     ||    22500 ||    375000
+|Plains centaur     ||    225 ||    3750
 |}
 -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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	Their weight should be 3/2*corpse weight + inventory weight. This also occurrs when all involved statues are empty and depict the same monster type. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)		Their weight should be 3/2*corpse weight + inventory weight. This also occurrs when all involved statues are empty and depict the same monster type. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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		+	Weight measurements in one wizard mode game:
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		+	{\|class="prettytable"
		+	! Monster type
		+	! Measured weight
		+	! Predicted weight
		+	\|-
		+	\|Forest centaur \|\| 2200 \|\| 382500
		+	\|-
		+	\|Forest centaur \|\| 127500 \|\| 382500
		+	\|-
		+	\|Mountain centaur \|\| 1500 \|\| 382500
		+	\|-
		+	\|Mountain centaur \|\| 4500 \|\| 382500
		+	\|-
		+	\|Plains centaur \|\| 60000 \|\| 375000
		+	\|-
		+	\|Plains centaur \|\| 3000 \|\| 375000
		+	\|-
		+	\|Plains centaur \|\| 135000 \|\| 375000
		+	\|-
		+	\|Plains centaur \|\| 22500 \|\| 375000
		+	\|}
		+	-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)