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Umbire the Phantom: /* whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea */

2021-12-23T15:24:21Z

whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea

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	so it seems kinda dangerous. anyone have a better idea of how to express this to newbies without offending mister umbrie, who asked me to "Avoid additional comments like that" when he deleted it?[[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)		so it seems kinda dangerous. anyone have a better idea of how to express this to newbies without offending mister umbrie, who asked me to "Avoid additional comments like that" when he deleted it?[[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

			:I removed that not because of any perceived """offensiveness""", but because it doesn't seem to make much sense to presume new players would try it to begin with. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 15:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

D4 wryyyy: /* whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea */ new section

2021-12-23T09:27:27Z

whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea: new section

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	:::Should have been more explicit; The probabilities were not matching because between simulating the even/odd levels, I was getting different dice rolls on my pseudorandom number generator. Hence they did not match exactly. Anyways, I wrote the program which calculates the exact probabilities, all even/odd levels match, and it's accurate to more decimals than are used in the chart. Done. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 03:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)		:::Should have been more explicit; The probabilities were not matching because between simulating the even/odd levels, I was getting different dice rolls on my pseudorandom number generator. Hence they did not match exactly. Anyways, I wrote the program which calculates the exact probabilities, all even/odd levels match, and it's accurate to more decimals than are used in the chart. Done. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 03:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

			== whacking a statue with an ax might be a Bad Idea ==

			i added the messages for applying an ax to a statue rather than a pick-axe because, scanning the source, it looks like it can kill you.
			a mister [[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] has since come and deleted my comment that this is "probably a bad idea."

			i don't want to say for sure "this can kill you" because i'm not perfectly versed in the source code, but the line to which i referred in my annotation, in dig.c, says:

			'''if (vibrate) losehp(2, "axing a hard object", KILLED_BY);'''

			so it seems kinda dangerous. anyone have a better idea of how to express this to newbies without offending mister umbrie, who asked me to "Avoid additional comments like that" when he deleted it?[[User:D4 wryyyy\|D4 wryyyy]] ([[User talk:D4 wryyyy\|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

AileTheAlien: /* Oracle Probabilities */

2011-03-22T03:31:22Z

Oracle Probabilities

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	* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)		: BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

	::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode\|mkobj.c\|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)		::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode\|mkobj.c\|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

			:::Should have been more explicit; The probabilities were not matching because between simulating the even/odd levels, I was getting different dice rolls on my pseudorandom number generator. Hence they did not match exactly. Anyways, I wrote the program which calculates the exact probabilities, all even/odd levels match, and it's accurate to more decimals than are used in the chart. Done. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 03:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Tjr: The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size.

2011-03-19T23:57:10Z

The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size.

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	* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)		* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

			::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode\|mkobj.c\|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

AileTheAlien: /* Oracle Probabilities */

2011-03-18T20:20:57Z

Oracle Probabilities

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	If anyone needs it, I can upload the script, if given basic instructions about how/where to do that.		If anyone needs it, I can upload the script, if given basic instructions about how/where to do that.
	--[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)		--[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

			* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

AileTheAlien: /* Oracle Probabilities */ new section

2011-03-18T20:12:13Z

Oracle Probabilities: new section

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	:The same code is responsible for '''C343-36''': ''Weight of corpses on special levels may not be calculated correctly'', which will be fixed in next version. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] 11:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)		:The same code is responsible for '''C343-36''': ''Weight of corpses on special levels may not be calculated correctly'', which will be fixed in next version. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] 11:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

			== Oracle Probabilities ==

			I never was happy with the table on [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/343/misc-343.html#statues steelypips], since it averaged out the probability over several levels ''and then'' tabulated the chances of finding certain numbers of spellbooks.
			I wrote up a quick Python script to randomly generate millions of levels' worth of Oracle statues and add up the numbers of spellbooks.
			Weird thing is that even with millions of runs, I still seem to only get one decimal place of accuracy.
			(e.g. Level 6 matches level 7 up to the first decimal only.)
			Probably need to go back and read some math texts again to see why that happens.
			If anyone needs it, I can upload the script, if given basic instructions about how/where to do that.
			--[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

DemonSlayerThe3rd: /* I like Oracle statues */

2010-09-17T00:10:31Z

I like Oracle statues

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	My wizard found a spellbook of finger of death in one :P [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)		My wizard found a spellbook of finger of death in one :P [[User:Fredil Yupigo\|Fredil Yupigo]] 21:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

			: Wow, this will make my adventures to Sokoban much more fun! LOL![[User:DemonSlayerThe3rd\|- - DemonSlayerThe3 :: The Neutral Gnomish Wizard, with my kitten Ellinis!]] 00:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

	== Oracle statue weight ==		== Oracle statue weight ==

Paxed: /* Oracle statue weight */ It's C343-36

2009-07-10T11:51:09Z

Oracle statue weight: It's C343-36

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	-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)		-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

			:The same code is responsible for '''C343-36''': ''Weight of corpses on special levels may not be calculated correctly'', which will be fixed in next version. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] 11:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Tjr: /* Oracle statue weight */

2009-07-09T14:15:06Z

Oracle statue weight

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	! Predicted weight		! Predicted weight
	\|-		\|-
	\|Forest centaur \|\| ~~2200~~ \|\| ~~382500~~		\|Forest centaur \|\| 22 \|\| 3825
	\|-		\|-
	\|Forest centaur \|\| ~~127500~~ \|\| ~~382500~~		\|Forest centaur \|\| 1275 \|\| 3825
	\|-		\|-
	\|Mountain centaur \|\| ~~1500~~ \|\| ~~382500~~		\|Mountain centaur \|\| 15 \|\| 3825
	\|-		\|-
	\|Mountain centaur \|\| ~~4500~~ \|\| ~~382500~~		\|Mountain centaur \|\| 45 \|\| 3825
	\|-		\|-
	\|Plains centaur \|\| ~~60000~~ \|\| ~~375000~~		\|Plains centaur \|\| 600 \|\| 3750
	\|-		\|-
	\|Plains centaur \|\| ~~3000~~ \|\| ~~375000~~		\|Plains centaur \|\| 30 \|\| 3750
	\|-		\|-
	\|Plains centaur \|\| ~~135000~~ \|\| ~~375000~~		\|Plains centaur \|\| 1350 \|\| 3750
	\|-		\|-
	\|Plains centaur \|\| ~~22500~~ \|\| ~~375000~~		\|Plains centaur \|\| 225 \|\| 3750
	\|}		\|}
	-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)		-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Tjr: /* Oracle statue weight */

2009-07-09T13:40:20Z

Oracle statue weight

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	Their weight should be 3/2*corpse weight + inventory weight. This also occurrs when all involved statues are empty and depict the same monster type. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)		Their weight should be 3/2*corpse weight + inventory weight. This also occurrs when all involved statues are empty and depict the same monster type. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

			Weight measurements in one wizard mode game:

			{\|class="prettytable"
			! Monster type
			! Measured weight
			! Predicted weight
			\|-
			\|Forest centaur \|\| 2200 \|\| 382500
			\|-
			\|Forest centaur \|\| 127500 \|\| 382500
			\|-
			\|Mountain centaur \|\| 1500 \|\| 382500
			\|-
			\|Mountain centaur \|\| 4500 \|\| 382500
			\|-
			\|Plains centaur \|\| 60000 \|\| 375000
			\|-
			\|Plains centaur \|\| 3000 \|\| 375000
			\|-
			\|Plains centaur \|\| 135000 \|\| 375000
			\|-
			\|Plains centaur \|\| 22500 \|\| 375000
			\|}
			-[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 13:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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	* BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)		: BTW, if somebody is currently taking an undergraduate class with probabilities, calculating the ''exact'' chances would be a great way to study for exams. Plus it would be infinitly accurate, and not just a close approximation. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

	::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode\|mkobj.c\|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)		::The probabilities are wrong because they do not account for monster size. {{sourcecode\|mkobj.c\|607}} checks if the statue is not "very small", and only on that condition makes a book with (level/2 /(level/2 + 10)) chance. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

			:::Should have been more explicit; The probabilities were not matching because between simulating the even/odd levels, I was getting different dice rolls on my pseudorandom number generator. Hence they did not match exactly. Anyways, I wrote the program which calculates the exact probabilities, all even/odd levels match, and it's accurate to more decimals than are used in the chart. Done. --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 03:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)