Talk:Stone golem - Revision history

Tjr: code already exists to handle golems

2010-12-16T10:55:21Z

code already exists to handle golems

Qazmlpok: /* Stone to Flesh */

2010-12-16T02:25:30Z

‎Stone to Flesh

Ndwolfwood: /* Stone to Flesh */

2010-12-16T00:58:35Z

‎Stone to Flesh

Tjr: source path

2010-12-15T22:59:29Z

source path

Qazmlpok at 22:55, 15 December 2010

2010-12-15T22:55:16Z

Ndwolfwood: /* Stone to Flesh */

2010-12-15T22:54:26Z

‎Stone to Flesh

Ndwolfwood: /* Stone to Flesh */

2010-12-15T22:52:24Z

‎Stone to Flesh

Bulwersator at 22:17, 15 December 2010

2010-12-15T22:17:34Z

Ndwolfwood: Created page with "==Stone to Flesh== I cast stone to flesh on a 2 stone golem statue and I got meatballs. Is this something Slashem specific or is there a random chance I will get meatballs anyti..."

2010-12-15T22:01:40Z

Created page with "==Stone to Flesh== I cast stone to flesh on a 2 stone golem statue and I got meatballs. Is this something Slashem specific or is there a random chance I will get meatballs anyti..."

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==Stone to Flesh==
I cast stone to flesh on a 2 stone golem statue and I got meatballs. Is this something Slashem specific or is there a random chance I will get meatballs anytime I do this?--[[User:Ndwolfwood|Ndwolfwood]] 22:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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 ::Stone golems turn into a statue from being 'destroyed'; presumably they aren't in good enough shape afterwards to turn into a flesh golem.
 ::Additionally for the earlier comment on inconsistency with petrification; turning into a rock only occurs for the sufficiently small. Turning to stone is certainly not voluntary, I assume that the justification for tiny monsters breaking into rocks is that the resulting statue is too frail to stay intact. For the specific example of a killer bee, I'd say this is definitely expected behavior - you effectively have a floating rock that suddenly stops floating.
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	The fact a stone golem turns into a stone staute as opposed to a pile of rocks when slain dosen't seem consistent either. Is there a mythological or cultural reference for this similar to the clay golems being destroyed by cancelation due to the jewish mythology. I think the reason stone golem statues do not revert is so they can't be spammed for experience. [[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 00:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)		The fact a stone golem turns into a stone staute as opposed to a pile of rocks when slain dosen't seem consistent either. Is there a mythological or cultural reference for this similar to the clay golems being destroyed by cancelation due to the jewish mythology. I think the reason stone golem statues do not revert is so they can't be spammed for experience. [[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 00:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
		+	:That would be incredibly inconsistent, as there is nothing stopping one from using [[Spellbook of turn undead]] or a cockatrice corpse with [[Spellbook of stone to flesh]] to farm for experience. Adding a single limitation for stone golems would be pointless.
		+	:my own baseless justifications for this behavior:
		+	::Clay golems turn into rocks, stone golems do not because the stone golems are significantly sturdier. The clay falls apart, the stone stops moving.
		+	::Stone golem statues do not turn into flesh golems because that would be a special case in handling the stone to flesh spell, and the dev team simply didn't consider it important enough to add the special case.
		+	::Stone golems turn into a statue from being 'destroyed'; presumably they aren't in good enough shape afterwards to turn into a flesh golem.
		+	::Additionally for the earlier comment on inconsistency with petrification; turning into a rock only occurs for the sufficiently small. Turning to stone is certainly not voluntary, I assume that the justification for tiny monsters breaking into rocks is that the resulting statue is too frail to stay intact. For the specific example of a killer bee, I'd say this is definitely expected behavior - you effectively have a floating rock that suddenly stops floating.
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	:: Just in case: [[polymorph]]ing into a [[purple worm]] and eating a stone golem does not break vegan conduct.		:: Just in case: [[polymorph]]ing into a [[purple worm]] and eating a stone golem does not break vegan conduct.
	:: This isn't fully consistent with the mechanics of petrification. If you whack a killer bee with a cockatrice corpse, it may turn into a rock, which "animates" into a meatball. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)		:: This isn't fully consistent with the mechanics of petrification. If you whack a killer bee with a cockatrice corpse, it may turn into a rock, which "animates" into a meatball. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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		+	The fact a stone golem turns into a stone staute as opposed to a pile of rocks when slain dosen't seem consistent either. Is there a mythological or cultural reference for this similar to the clay golems being destroyed by cancelation due to the jewish mythology. I think the reason stone golem statues do not revert is so they can't be spammed for experience. [[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 00:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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	I've tested it three times now so I am going to change the entry for stone golem to state casting stone to flesh on its staute will create a single meatball.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)		I've tested it three times now so I am going to change the entry for stone golem to state casting stone to flesh on its staute will create a single meatball.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Stone golems are not fleshy, thus the statue becomes a meatball. It seems the entry for stone golem was simply incorrect. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)		:Stone golems are not fleshy, thus the statue becomes a meatball. It seems the entry for stone golem was simply incorrect. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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		+	::Reading the source, it turns out [[stone to flesh]] converts a statue of a vegetarian monster into a single [[meatball]] regardless of size ([[Source:Zap.c#line1622]]), and most golems are defined as vegetarian ([[Source:Mondata.h#line182]]). Admittely, most players never eat stone golems, so their classification is not obvious.
		+	:: Just in case: [[polymorph]]ing into a [[purple worm]] and eating a stone golem does not break vegan conduct.
		+	:: This isn't fully consistent with the mechanics of petrification. If you whack a killer bee with a cockatrice corpse, it may turn into a rock, which "animates" into a meatball. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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	I've tested it three times now so I am going to change the entry for stone golem to state casting stone to flesh on its staute will create a single meatball.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)		I've tested it three times now so I am going to change the entry for stone golem to state casting stone to flesh on its staute will create a single meatball.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
		+	:Stone golems are not fleshy, thus the statue becomes a meatball. It seems the entry for stone golem was simply incorrect. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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	This is what what the stone golem page says		This is what what the stone golem page says
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		+	"Casting stone to flesh on either the "animated" stone golem or its statue will change it into a flesh golem. Stoning this flesh golem will turn it back to a stone golem."
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		+	I've tested it three times now so I am going to change the entry for stone golem to state casting stone to flesh on its staute will create a single meatball.[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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	See [[Spellbook of stone to flesh]] [[User:Bulwersator\|Bulwersator]] 22:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)		See [[Spellbook of stone to flesh]] [[User:Bulwersator\|Bulwersator]] 22:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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		+	This is what stone to flesh says
		+	"Turning a statue into the creature it depicts. If a tame pet gets turned to stone, this will restore it to its original state. If the creature is of a genocided species, this won't work; the statue will be transformed into an appropriate corpse if possible, or remain unchanged if that monster cannot leave a corpse. Additionally, if the monster is considered vegetarian food (and hence not fleshy) the statue will be turned into a single meatball instead. If the statue is of a unique monster or a quest guardian it will reanimate as a disguised doppelganger instead of the real creature, unless the statue was created by stoning that creature."[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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		+	This is what what the stone golem page says

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	==Stone to Flesh==		==Stone to Flesh==
	I cast stone to flesh on a 2 stone golem statue and I got meatballs. Is this something Slashem specific or is there a random chance I will get meatballs anytime I do this?--[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)		I cast stone to flesh on a 2 stone golem statue and I got meatballs. Is this something Slashem specific or is there a random chance I will get meatballs anytime I do this?--[[User:Ndwolfwood\|Ndwolfwood]] 22:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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		+	See [[Spellbook of stone to flesh]] [[User:Bulwersator\|Bulwersator]] 22:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)