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		<title>Kufat at 09:50, 20 October 2018</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 09:50, 20 October 2018&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l4&quot; &gt;Line 4:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does #invoking affect monsters seen by invravision / telepathy / external telepathy / monster detection? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does #invoking affect monsters seen by invravision / telepathy / external telepathy / monster detection? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:'''The eye is never blind ...'''. It seems that the only checks are line of sight and if the area is lit. It has no relation to what you can see, only what it can see. Furthermore, there's no check that the monster isn't blind/eyeless or that it is capable of screaming (''The blue jelly screams in agony''). And if you have -9 luck, no check that you aren't undead. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:'''The eye is never blind ...'''. It seems that the only checks are line of sight and if the area is lit. It has no relation to what you can see, only what it can see. Furthermore, there's no check that the monster isn't blind/eyeless or that it is capable of screaming (''The blue jelly screams in agony''). And if you have -9 luck, no check that you aren't undead. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Looking at the source, it appears that lifesaving doesn't help when the Eye turns on you. Is that correct? [[User:Kufat|Kufat]] ([[User talk:Kufat|talk]]) 09:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Gordon schumway: moved Talk:Eye of the Beholder to Talk:The Eye of the Beholder: It's actually 'The Eye ...'</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-03T06:43:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Eye_of_the_Beholder&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Eye of the Beholder (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Eye of the Beholder&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Talk:The_Eye_of_the_Beholder&quot; title=&quot;Talk:The Eye of the Beholder&quot;&gt;Talk:The Eye of the Beholder&lt;/a&gt;: It&amp;#039;s actually &amp;#039;The Eye ...&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Qazmlpok at 15:09, 18 June 2010</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-18T15:09:20Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does #invoking affect monsters seen by invravision / telepathy / external telepathy / monster detection? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does #invoking affect monsters seen by invravision / telepathy / external telepathy / monster detection? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:'''The eye is never blind ...'''. It seems that the only checks are line of sight and if the area is lit. It has no relation to what you can see, only what it can see. Furthermore, there's no check that the monster isn't blind/eyeless or that it is capable of screaming (''The blue jelly screams in agony''). And if you have -9 luck, no check that you aren't undead. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tjr at 14:45, 18 June 2010</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someone confirm this? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 11:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someone confirm this? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 11:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Good catch - just tested that in wizard mode, and that's exactly right, it doesn't reduce tameness or make peaceful monsters hostile, but affects them all equally.  I'm guessing that's an oversight on the part of the developers, but who knows? I'll put it in the article, though. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 13:19, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Good catch - just tested that in wizard mode, and that's exactly right, it doesn't reduce tameness or make peaceful monsters hostile, but affects them all equally.  I'm guessing that's an oversight on the part of the developers, but who knows? I'll put it in the article, though. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 13:19, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Does #invoking affect monsters seen by invravision / telepathy / external telepathy / monster detection? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 14:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Ion frigate at 13:19, 18 June 2010</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someone confirm this? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 11:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someone confirm this? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 11:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:Good catch - just tested that in wizard mode, and that's exactly right, it doesn't reduce tameness or make peaceful monsters hostile, but affects them all equally.  I'm guessing that's an oversight on the part of the developers, but who knows? I'll put it in the article, though. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 13:19, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Qazmlpok: Created page with 'From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someo…'</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someo…&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;From a brief look at the source, invoking the eye will directly reduce the hp of every monster it affects, and therefore will not anger them/reduce tameness for pets. Could someone confirm this? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 11:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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