Talk:Tinning kit - Revision history

Tjr: /* buc */ new section

2012-06-24T07:34:04Z

‎buc: new section

Blackcustard: /* Contradiction */ Noted that I added explanation+citation to the page itself.

2011-07-31T19:48:29Z

‎Contradiction: Noted that I added explanation+citation to the page itself.

Wuumaster: /* Deletion of commentary */ Added a paragraph to further the explaination, at least I hope.

2010-08-18T22:30:05Z

‎Deletion of commentary: Added a paragraph to further the explaination, at least I hope.

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2010-08-18T22:18:45Z

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Tjr at 22:17, 18 August 2010

2010-08-18T22:17:11Z

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Tjr at 21:02, 16 August 2010

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Qazmlpok: /* Partly eaten */

2010-06-21T19:08:22Z

‎Partly eaten

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	Partly eaten corpses seem to be untinnable (chromatic dragon's was, which was kinda sad :( ) Can anyone verify if this applies to all monsters? Thank you.[[User:Newtkiller\|Newtkiller]] 17:14, June 21, 2010 (UTC)		Partly eaten corpses seem to be untinnable (chromatic dragon's was, which was kinda sad :( ) Can anyone verify if this applies to all monsters? Thank you.[[User:Newtkiller\|Newtkiller]] 17:14, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
	:It does. Can't eat and then tin. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 19:08, June 21, 2010 (UTC)		:It does. Can't eat and then tin. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 19:08, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	IIRC blessed home-made tins are never rotten and cursed ones always. The article should touch on this. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 07:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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	:Actually both are correct. The acid is rendered harmless in the sense that it won't give you a “very bad case of stomach acid”, but it will still cure stoning. This occurs because ({{function\|eat.c\|cprefx}}) cures stoning and is called by the corpse-eating code and tin-eating code, whereas stomach acid is handled by ({{function\|eat.c\|eatcorpse}}) which is not invoked for tins. -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 11:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)		:Actually both are correct. The acid is rendered harmless in the sense that it won't give you a “very bad case of stomach acid”, but it will still cure stoning. This occurs because ({{function\|eat.c\|cprefx}}) cures stoning and is called by the corpse-eating code and tin-eating code, whereas stomach acid is handled by ({{function\|eat.c\|eatcorpse}}) which is not invoked for tins. -- [[User:Killian\|Killian]] 11:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:I wiztested (because that was so weird), and explained this explicitly on the page. Also added your citation. What's the point of keeping all the good information on the discussion page? Discussion page is for discussion, page page is for page. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] 19:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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 :: There's nothing special about tinning kits, except somebody did the write-up, and people found it amusing enough to keep around. I'm sure you could do something similar for grappling hooks if you wanted.
 :: One-size-fits-all lenses: That argument is similar to [[Key#History|shaped keys]]. We had them in past versions of Nethack. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 22:17, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 == Contradiction ==

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 :: Gamers keep asking about certain unanswerable oddities, and this section provides at least some background. "How can they tin so fast in the middle of battle?" "How is [[magic cancellation]] supposed to work?" "Why does [[eat]]ing plate mails take only one turn?" "Hey, I've a patch for empty potion bottles!" "When is the next version of Nethack out?" "How come a single pudding can [[Pudding_farming|carry that much stuff]]?"
 :: There's nothing special about tinning kits, except somebody did the write-up, and people found it amusing enough to keep around. I'm sure you could do something similar for grappling hooks if you wanted.
-:: One-size-fits-all lenses: That argument is similar to [[Defunct#List_of_defunct_objects|shaped keys]]. We had them in past versions of Nethack. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 22:17, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
+:: One-size-fits-all lenses: That argument is similar to [[Key#History|shaped keys]]. We had them in past versions of Nethack. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 22:17, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 == Contradiction ==

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 : This is a flavor addition based on nothing but speculation. Tining in Nethack world is probably NOT AT ALL like tinnning in real world. Why? Well because NOTHING else in nethack is like in real world. Nethack is a fantasy game, so real world wolrd speculations based on nothing do not belong here.
 : Also why is this artcile the only one that gets the "in real life" section? Why not have artcile on real life uses of [[pick-axe]]s and [[grapling-hooks]] etc... Can you really dig thorugh the floor with a pick axe? Are [[pair of lenses]] really one seize fits all? Can you really find out someone's "hit points" by using a [[Stethoscope]]? What is so special about tinning that requires a real-worl explantion?
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+:: Gamers keep asking about certain unanswerable oddities, and this section provides at least some background. "How can they tin so fast in the middle of battle?" "How is [[magic cancellation]] supposed to work?" "Why does [[eat]]ing plate mails take only one turn?" "Hey, I've a patch for empty potion bottles!" "When is the next version of Nethack out?" "How come a single pudding can [[Pudding_farming|carry that much stuff]]?"
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--Poisonous and acidic corpses are also rendered harmless. <br>
+-Poisonous and acidic corpses are also rendered harmless.<br />
 -A blessed tin of acid blob always opens in one turn and can save you from stoning.

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	: This is a flavor addition based on nothing but speculation. Tining in Nethack world is probably NOT AT ALL like tinnning in real world. Why? Well because NOTHING else in nethack is like in real world. Nethack is a fantasy game, so real world wolrd speculations based on nothing do not belong here.		: This is a flavor addition based on nothing but speculation. Tining in Nethack world is probably NOT AT ALL like tinnning in real world. Why? Well because NOTHING else in nethack is like in real world. Nethack is a fantasy game, so real world wolrd speculations based on nothing do not belong here.
		+	: Also why is this artcile the only one that gets the "in real life" section? Why not have artcile on real life uses of [[pick-axe]]s and [[grapling-hooks]] etc... Can you really dig thorugh the floor with a pick axe? Are [[pair of lenses]] really one seize fits all? Can you really find out someone's hit points by using a [[stetoscope]]? What is so special about tinning that requires a real-worl explantion?

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-I was sad to see that an anonymous user had deleted a few lines I wrote in this article about tinning in our world, and what a remarkable object the Nethack tinning kit must be.  Of course, it had nothing to do with gameplay, but it seems to me that ''lots'' of stuff in Nethack and in this wiki has nothing to do with gameplay.  Do we really need to know the shapes of the various polearms?  Or read most of those encyclopedia entries?  I thought the section was interesting and enjoyable, and at least two users of the wiki enjoyed it enough to put appreciative comments on this discussion page.  I have therefore undone the deletion.  Perhaps it was my original section heading, "pointless ruminations," that set off that other editor.  I have tried to give the section a less-offensive name.
+I was sad to see that an anonymous user had deleted a few lines I wrote in this article about tinning in our world, and what a remarkable object the Nethack tinning kit must be. Of course, it had nothing to do with gameplay, but it seems to me that ''lots'' of stuff in Nethack and in this wiki has nothing to do with gameplay. Do we really need to know the shapes of the various polearms? Or read most of those encyclopedia entries? I thought the section was interesting and enjoyable, and at least two users of the wiki enjoyed it enough to put appreciative comments on this discussion page. I have therefore undone the deletion. Perhaps it was my original section heading, "pointless ruminations," that set off that other editor. I have tried to give the section a less-offensive name.
 I would be sad to see it removed from the article--I think it's just one of those fun things to reflect on as you play nethack.
-Well, I'm back to exploring Gehennom and tinning all the nurses.  Only damn advantage of playing a Caveman I've seen so far...--[[User:Ckbryant|Ckbryant]] 16:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
+Well, I'm back to exploring Gehennom and tinning all the nurses. Only damn advantage of playing a Caveman I've seen so far...--[[User:Ckbryant|Ckbryant]] 16:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 :I definitely enjoyed your text and will ban the next one who dares to remove it! &mdash;[[User:ZeroOne|ZeroOne]] (<small>[[User talk:ZeroOne|talk]]</small>&nbsp;/&nbsp;<small>[[Special:Emailuser/ZeroOne|@]]</small>) 22:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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 Again, somebody deleted the section on tinning in the real world. The reason given was "This is some intersting musing which do not apply to a world full of Kops and Quantum Mechanics". (While true, it also lends flavor to the wiki.) Reverted because discussed before. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 21:02, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
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	:Thanks for all you do to keep the place running and orderly!--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 18:06, 8 January 2009 (UTC)		:Thanks for all you do to keep the place running and orderly!--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 18:06, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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		+	Again, somebody deleted the section on tinning in the real world. The reason given was "This is some intersting musing which do not apply to a world full of Kops and Quantum Mechanics". (While true, it also lends flavor to the wiki.) Reverted because discussed before. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:02, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

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	Partly eaten corpses seem to be untinnable (chromatic dragon's was, which was kinda sad :( ) Can anyone verify if this applies to all monsters? Thank you.[[User:Newtkiller\|Newtkiller]] 17:14, June 21, 2010 (UTC)		Partly eaten corpses seem to be untinnable (chromatic dragon's was, which was kinda sad :( ) Can anyone verify if this applies to all monsters? Thank you.[[User:Newtkiller\|Newtkiller]] 17:14, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:It does. Can't eat and then tin. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 19:08, June 21, 2010 (UTC)