Talk:Tourist - Revision history

67.8.59.62: /* Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss */

2012-05-27T21:23:55Z

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Ion frigate: /* Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss */

2012-05-26T04:52:39Z

‎Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss

Erica at 07:59, 25 May 2012

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67.8.59.62 at 06:42, 25 May 2012

2012-05-25T06:42:29Z

Ion frigate at 15:07, 2 February 2012

2012-02-02T15:07:35Z

Hcobb at 04:23, 9 May 2010

2010-05-09T04:23:48Z

Tjr: Undo revision 46357 by Tjr (talk)

2010-02-01T21:13:16Z

Undo revision 46357 by Tjr (talk)

Tjr: /* Shock resistance? */

2010-02-01T16:57:57Z

‎Shock resistance?

Djao: shock resistance?

2010-01-31T13:43:43Z

shock resistance?

98.26.168.111 at 04:30, 14 August 2009

2009-08-14T04:30:35Z

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	::Also, check your Dexterity. Tourists' stats are very random, so you might have gotten 6 or 7 Dex, which will make it annoyingly hard to hit things. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 04:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)		::Also, check your Dexterity. Tourists' stats are very random, so you might have gotten 6 or 7 Dex, which will make it annoyingly hard to hit things. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 04:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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		+	::: Well that game ended, trying to play a tourist again, I was able to find an early pair of gauntlets of power, and they seem to help with melee daggers. That last game I dont think luck was an issue as it didnt last to sokoban. Dexterity could have been the issue I dont remember my exact stats. I looked over the to-hit page before starting to wonder if it was something inherit about the tourist role itself, so since its not Ill refer back to the to-hit page and see if there is anything Im missing.

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	:It's hard to know why your tourist is having such a hard time to hit with a weapon, because there are so many factors that can influence the chance to hit, as you can see from [[To-hit\|the article on the subject]]. Tourists don't have an intrinsic to-hit penalty, and with equal stats, they should be able to use daggers as effectively as a wizard (although wizards tend to start with higher dexterity than tourists, so some wizards may have an early to-hit advantage). However, twoweaponing at basic skill carries a -7 to-hit penalty, so that would explain why you miss much more often when wielding two weapons. Thrown daggers may or may not hit more often then wielded daggers, depending on the size of the monster and the distance between you and the monster. I'm wondering, do you think something might have happened to your character's [[Luck]]? For example, breaking a mirror, breaking the rules in Sokoban, praying too early, killing a gray unicorn, etc. A negative Luck would hurt your chance to hit. --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] ([[User talk:Erica\|talk]]) 07:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)		:It's hard to know why your tourist is having such a hard time to hit with a weapon, because there are so many factors that can influence the chance to hit, as you can see from [[To-hit\|the article on the subject]]. Tourists don't have an intrinsic to-hit penalty, and with equal stats, they should be able to use daggers as effectively as a wizard (although wizards tend to start with higher dexterity than tourists, so some wizards may have an early to-hit advantage). However, twoweaponing at basic skill carries a -7 to-hit penalty, so that would explain why you miss much more often when wielding two weapons. Thrown daggers may or may not hit more often then wielded daggers, depending on the size of the monster and the distance between you and the monster. I'm wondering, do you think something might have happened to your character's [[Luck]]? For example, breaking a mirror, breaking the rules in Sokoban, praying too early, killing a gray unicorn, etc. A negative Luck would hurt your chance to hit. --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] ([[User talk:Erica\|talk]]) 07:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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		+	::Also, check your Dexterity. Tourists' stats are very random, so you might have gotten 6 or 7 Dex, which will make it annoyingly hard to hit things. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 04:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

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	== Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss ==		== Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss ==
	I cant get my tourist to hit anything with a weapon. I dont understand why. I have basic dagger and basic twoweapon. Throwing uncursed +0 daggers seems to miss most of the time, but of the three arrangements hits the most. If I wield a single uncursed +0 dagger I almost always miss, and if I twoweapon two uncursed +0 daggers I miss more than any other combination. It doesnt seem that this is getting any better with experience levels. Does tourist have some sort if internal to hit penalty? When I play a wizard, preparing for magicbane, I can throw daggers very accurately and wield very accurately so a tourist not performing in a similar manner is baffling.		I cant get my tourist to hit anything with a weapon. I dont understand why. I have basic dagger and basic twoweapon. Throwing uncursed +0 daggers seems to miss most of the time, but of the three arrangements hits the most. If I wield a single uncursed +0 dagger I almost always miss, and if I twoweapon two uncursed +0 daggers I miss more than any other combination. It doesnt seem that this is getting any better with experience levels. Does tourist have some sort if internal to hit penalty? When I play a wizard, preparing for magicbane, I can throw daggers very accurately and wield very accurately so a tourist not performing in a similar manner is baffling.
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		+	:It's hard to know why your tourist is having such a hard time to hit with a weapon, because there are so many factors that can influence the chance to hit, as you can see from [[To-hit\|the article on the subject]]. Tourists don't have an intrinsic to-hit penalty, and with equal stats, they should be able to use daggers as effectively as a wizard (although wizards tend to start with higher dexterity than tourists, so some wizards may have an early to-hit advantage). However, twoweaponing at basic skill carries a -7 to-hit penalty, so that would explain why you miss much more often when wielding two weapons. Thrown daggers may or may not hit more often then wielded daggers, depending on the size of the monster and the distance between you and the monster. I'm wondering, do you think something might have happened to your character's [[Luck]]? For example, breaking a mirror, breaking the rules in Sokoban, praying too early, killing a gray unicorn, etc. A negative Luck would hurt your chance to hit. --[[User:Erica\|Erica]] ([[User talk:Erica\|talk]]) 07:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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	== Sporkhack ==		== Sporkhack ==
	This section mentions that orc tourists have an instakill attack from the second move. Is this because they start with a potion of sickness? I think that should be specified, since as it is I can't figure out if they simply start with a potion of sickness, or if there's some new ability that's been added to orcs and/or tourists in Sporkhack. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)		This section mentions that orc tourists have an instakill attack from the second move. Is this because they start with a potion of sickness? I think that should be specified, since as it is I can't figure out if they simply start with a potion of sickness, or if there's some new ability that's been added to orcs and/or tourists in Sporkhack. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss ==
		+	I cant get my tourist to hit anything with a weapon. I dont understand why. I have basic dagger and basic twoweapon. Throwing uncursed +0 daggers seems to miss most of the time, but of the three arrangements hits the most. If I wield a single uncursed +0 dagger I almost always miss, and if I twoweapon two uncursed +0 daggers I miss more than any other combination. It doesnt seem that this is getting any better with experience levels. Does tourist have some sort if internal to hit penalty? When I play a wizard, preparing for magicbane, I can throw daggers very accurately and wield very accurately so a tourist not performing in a similar manner is baffling.

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	As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)		As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Sporkhack ==
		+	This section mentions that orc tourists have an instakill attack from the second move. Is this because they start with a potion of sickness? I think that should be specified, since as it is I can't figure out if they simply start with a potion of sickness, or if there's some new ability that's been added to orcs and/or tourists in Sporkhack. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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	* I just ascended a tourist, so I think I'll weigh in. I like Mjollnir best for them because after the beginning game I play them as valkyrie-lites. I keep either Vorpal Blade, Fire Brand or Frost Brand on hand as backup (in the endgame this isn't important as much, but you really want one of these in mid-game when you see energy vortices.) As far as an early wish, I'd go with GDSM, especially if you haven't done Sokoban yet.		* I just ascended a tourist, so I think I'll weigh in. I like Mjollnir best for them because after the beginning game I play them as valkyrie-lites. I keep either Vorpal Blade, Fire Brand or Frost Brand on hand as backup (in the endgame this isn't important as much, but you really want one of these in mid-game when you see energy vortices.) As far as an early wish, I'd go with GDSM, especially if you haven't done Sokoban yet.
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		+	* * Magicbane has the following advantages: Expert skill that overlaps with a ranged attack, MR!, inflicts status effects (includes debreathing) and you can write all the way home. [[User:Hcobb\|Hcobb]] 04:23, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

	== Thanks for the FA ==		== Thanks for the FA ==

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	As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)		As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
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−	: I think the offending phrase should featured less prominently. Exploding wands and rings are more serious than cold damage. As for the rationale: Cutting fat is good, but at the right place. IMO the article contains a lot of words that should be cut first, if at all. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:57, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

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	As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)		As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: I think the offending phrase should featured less prominently. Exploding wands and rings are more serious than cold damage. As for the rationale: Cutting fat is good, but at the right place. IMO the article contains a lot of words that should be cut first, if at all. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:57, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

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	: I ended up deleting the discussion entirely. We don't need a class-specific discussion of the protection racket for every single character class. [[User:Djao\|Djao]] 16:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)		: I ended up deleting the discussion entirely. We don't need a class-specific discussion of the protection racket for every single character class. [[User:Djao\|Djao]] 16:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
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		+	== Shock resistance? ==
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		+	I don't think the tidbit about shock resistant monsters and Mjollnir belongs here. This article is about Tourists. If someone wants to know the details of Mjollnir, they should click on the Mjollnir article. That's why we cross-link the articles, after all. (For the record, I am not deletionist, but I do believe that human limitations are a valid reason to keep information out of articles. Long, over-detailed articles are harder for humans to read.)
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		+	As evidence to back me up, I point to the [[Samurai]] article, which contains a very similar phrase, namely "The most damaging all-purpose melee attack in the game comes from a samurai double wielding a +7 Frost Brand and a +7 katana." No mention is made of cold resistant monsters, even though Grayswandir is of course much better against cold resistant monsters. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 13:43, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

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	If I had an early wish, I'd go with SDSM. No questions about it. But that's a normal wish anyways.		If I had an early wish, I'd go with SDSM. No questions about it. But that's a normal wish anyways.
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		+	* I just ascended a tourist, so I think I'll weigh in. I like Mjollnir best for them because after the beginning game I play them as valkyrie-lites. I keep either Vorpal Blade, Fire Brand or Frost Brand on hand as backup (in the endgame this isn't important as much, but you really want one of these in mid-game when you see energy vortices.) As far as an early wish, I'd go with GDSM, especially if you haven't done Sokoban yet.

	== Thanks for the FA ==		== Thanks for the FA ==