Talk:Twoweapon - Revision history

Pwyles: /* #twoweapon skill slots 3.6 */ new section

2017-06-07T03:11:18Z

‎#twoweapon skill slots 3.6: new section

Kynde: /* secondary can miss even when primary hit and vice versa */

2016-01-17T18:30:42Z

‎secondary can miss even when primary hit and vice versa

Qazmlpok at 02:25, 11 January 2016

2016-01-11T02:25:01Z

NDos: /* Twoweapon w/ ranged weapon */

2014-06-04T08:11:42Z

‎Twoweapon w/ ranged weapon

NDos at 08:11, 4 June 2014

2014-06-04T08:11:03Z

Darth l33t: /* Example */

2009-06-10T18:37:44Z

‎Example

DemonDoll at 16:44, 10 June 2009

2009-06-10T16:44:38Z

Shijun: /* Mjolnir and Excalibur */

2008-11-19T05:30:55Z

‎Mjolnir and Excalibur

12.219.152.255: /* Mjolnir and Excalibur */ new section

2008-11-19T05:16:55Z

‎Mjolnir and Excalibur: new section

Andronikus: New page: I think this page needs a table of which roles can #twoweapon, and how skilled they can be at it. I'd do it myself, but it looks like we could just use Template:Combat skill table. I...

2007-12-02T02:54:01Z

New page: I think this page needs a table of which roles can #twoweapon, and how skilled they can be at it. I'd do it myself, but it looks like we could just use Template:Combat skill table. I...

New page

I think this page needs a table of which roles can #twoweapon, and how skilled they can be at it. I'd do it myself, but it looks like we could just use [[Template:Combat skill table]]. I have no idea how to do that, but it's probably easier. --[[User:Andronikus|Andronikus]] 02:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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	I just missed with my offhand weapon in 3.6.0. I honestly never use #twoweapon very often, so I can't say for certain this is a change or if the article was just always wrong. Probably the former. I get the feeling a lot of things changed here. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)		I just missed with my offhand weapon in 3.6.0. I honestly never use #twoweapon very often, so I can't say for certain this is a change or if the article was just always wrong. Probably the former. I get the feeling a lot of things changed here. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
	:: This has certainly changed. It used to be the way it's in the article, the secondary hit and missed if the first one hit or missed, respectively. I almos always two-weapon my samurais and rogues. Even now I'm playing a samurai with two katanas and I get all 4 combinations of hits and misses with them. I haven't source dived yet, but I'd wager the secondary now hits (and misses) much like the first one. It could be that its skill calculation is also done the same way as it's done for the primary weapon. I'll try to find some time to browse the code for this. -- [[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:30, 17 January 2016 (UTC)		:: This has certainly changed. It used to be the way it's in the article, the secondary hit and missed if the first one hit or missed, respectively. I almos always two-weapon my samurais and rogues. Even now I'm playing a samurai with two katanas and I get all 4 combinations of hits and misses with them. I haven't source dived yet, but I'd wager the secondary now hits (and misses) much like the first one. It could be that its skill calculation is also done the same way as it's done for the primary weapon. I'll try to find some time to browse the code for this. -- [[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:30, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
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		+	== #twoweapon skill slots 3.6 ==
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		+	On NAO 3.6 it is taking two skill slots to go from basic to skilled for twoweapon. I do not know if this is a change in 3.6, or if it is just the version currently running on NAO.

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	:If the first weapon hits, the second weapon is guaranteed to hit.		:If the first weapon hits, the second weapon is guaranteed to hit.
	I just missed with my offhand weapon in 3.6.0. I honestly never use #twoweapon very often, so I can't say for certain this is a change or if the article was just always wrong. Probably the former. I get the feeling a lot of things changed here. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)		I just missed with my offhand weapon in 3.6.0. I honestly never use #twoweapon very often, so I can't say for certain this is a change or if the article was just always wrong. Probably the former. I get the feeling a lot of things changed here. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
		+	:: This has certainly changed. It used to be the way it's in the article, the secondary hit and missed if the first one hit or missed, respectively. I almos always two-weapon my samurais and rogues. Even now I'm playing a samurai with two katanas and I get all 4 combinations of hits and misses with them. I haven't source dived yet, but I'd wager the secondary now hits (and misses) much like the first one. It could be that its skill calculation is also done the same way as it's done for the primary weapon. I'll try to find some time to browse the code for this. -- [[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 18:30, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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	If I throw projectiles(including Mjollnir) with two weapons wielded, which skill the to-hit bonus and the damage bonus from, one weapon or two weapons? --[[User:NDos\|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos\|talk]]) 08:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)		If I throw projectiles(including Mjollnir) with two weapons wielded, which skill the to-hit bonus and the damage bonus from, one weapon or two weapons? --[[User:NDos\|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos\|talk]]) 08:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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		+	==To-hit==
		+	:If the first weapon hits, the second weapon is guaranteed to hit.
		+	I just missed with my offhand weapon in 3.6.0. I honestly never use #twoweapon very often, so I can't say for certain this is a change or if the article was just always wrong. Probably the former. I get the feeling a lot of things changed here. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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 :Since you're Expert in both longsword and twoweapon, you get [-3 +1] with your primary weapon.  With a saber (Basic skill) as primary, even with Expert in twoweapon, you'd take the Basic penalty of [-7 -1].  You offhand weapon hits whenever the primary one does, and always gets +0 damage.  Offhand weapon skill has no effect as far as I know. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 18:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
-== Twoweapon w/ ranged weapon ==
+== Two weapons w/ ranged weapon ==
 If I throw projectiles(including Mjollnir) with two weapons wielded, which skill the to-hit bonus and the damage bonus from, one weapon or two weapons? --[[User:NDos|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos|talk]]) 08:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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	So for the more dense among us, let's run through a few examples. A samurai wielding Excalibur and a silver saber with Expert long sword and Twoweapon and Basic saber will have [+Hit +Dam] of [+2 +3] or [-3 +1]? Does the saber get the bonus damage? If the samurai switches to Grayswandir with saber, will he get [+0 +0] or [-3 +1]? If the answer is [+0 +0], would this result be the same with Skilled Twoweapon skill? Basic Twoweapon? Thank you. [[User:DemonDoll\|DemonDoll]] 16:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)		So for the more dense among us, let's run through a few examples. A samurai wielding Excalibur and a silver saber with Expert long sword and Twoweapon and Basic saber will have [+Hit +Dam] of [+2 +3] or [-3 +1]? Does the saber get the bonus damage? If the samurai switches to Grayswandir with saber, will he get [+0 +0] or [-3 +1]? If the answer is [+0 +0], would this result be the same with Skilled Twoweapon skill? Basic Twoweapon? Thank you. [[User:DemonDoll\|DemonDoll]] 16:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
	:Since you're Expert in both longsword and twoweapon, you get [-3 +1] with your primary weapon. With a saber (Basic skill) as primary, even with Expert in twoweapon, you'd take the Basic penalty of [-7 -1]. You offhand weapon hits whenever the primary one does, and always gets +0 damage. Offhand weapon skill has no effect as far as I know. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 18:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)		:Since you're Expert in both longsword and twoweapon, you get [-3 +1] with your primary weapon. With a saber (Basic skill) as primary, even with Expert in twoweapon, you'd take the Basic penalty of [-7 -1]. You offhand weapon hits whenever the primary one does, and always gets +0 damage. Offhand weapon skill has no effect as far as I know. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 18:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Twoweapon w/ ranged weapon ==
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		+	If I throw projectiles(including Mjollnir) with two weapons wielded, which skill the to-hit bonus and the damage bonus from, one weapon or two weapons? --[[User:NDos\|NDos]] ([[User talk:NDos\|talk]]) 08:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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	So for the more dense among us, let's run through a few examples. A samurai wielding Excalibur and a silver saber with Expert long sword and Twoweapon and Basic saber will have [+Hit +Dam] of [+2 +3] or [-3 +1]? Does the saber get the bonus damage? If the samurai switches to Grayswandir with saber, will he get [+0 +0] or [-3 +1]? If the answer is [+0 +0], would this result be the same with Skilled Twoweapon skill? Basic Twoweapon? Thank you. [[User:DemonDoll\|DemonDoll]] 16:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)		So for the more dense among us, let's run through a few examples. A samurai wielding Excalibur and a silver saber with Expert long sword and Twoweapon and Basic saber will have [+Hit +Dam] of [+2 +3] or [-3 +1]? Does the saber get the bonus damage? If the samurai switches to Grayswandir with saber, will he get [+0 +0] or [-3 +1]? If the answer is [+0 +0], would this result be the same with Skilled Twoweapon skill? Basic Twoweapon? Thank you. [[User:DemonDoll\|DemonDoll]] 16:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Since you're Expert in both longsword and twoweapon, you get [-3 +1] with your primary weapon. With a saber (Basic skill) as primary, even with Expert in twoweapon, you'd take the Basic penalty of [-7 -1]. You offhand weapon hits whenever the primary one does, and always gets +0 damage. Offhand weapon skill has no effect as far as I know. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 18:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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	:Included. Thanks. ;) —[[User:Shijun\|Shijun]] 05:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)		:Included. Thanks. ;) —[[User:Shijun\|Shijun]] 05:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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		+	== Example ==
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		+	So for the more dense among us, let's run through a few examples. A samurai wielding Excalibur and a silver saber with Expert long sword and Twoweapon and Basic saber will have [+Hit +Dam] of [+2 +3] or [-3 +1]? Does the saber get the bonus damage? If the samurai switches to Grayswandir with saber, will he get [+0 +0] or [-3 +1]? If the answer is [+0 +0], would this result be the same with Skilled Twoweapon skill? Basic Twoweapon? Thank you. [[User:DemonDoll\|DemonDoll]] 16:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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	== Mjolnir and Excalibur ==		== Mjolnir and Excalibur ==

−	I tried two-weaponing Mjolnir and Excalibur and it produced the message "Your Excalibur resists being held second to another weapon!" or :Your war hammer named Mjolnir resists being held second to another weapon!" This should be included.	+	I tried two-weaponing Mjolnir and Excalibur and it produced the message "Your Excalibur resists being held second to another weapon!" or :Your war hammer named Mjolnir resists being held second to another weapon!" This should be included. {{unsigned\|12.219.152.255\|18 November 2008}}
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		+	:Included. Thanks. ;) —[[User:Shijun\|Shijun]] 05:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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	I think this page needs a table of which roles can #twoweapon, and how skilled they can be at it. I'd do it myself, but it looks like we could just use [[Template:Combat skill table]]. I have no idea how to do that, but it's probably easier. --[[User:Andronikus\|Andronikus]] 02:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)		I think this page needs a table of which roles can #twoweapon, and how skilled they can be at it. I'd do it myself, but it looks like we could just use [[Template:Combat skill table]]. I have no idea how to do that, but it's probably easier. --[[User:Andronikus\|Andronikus]] 02:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
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		+	== Mjolnir and Excalibur ==
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		+	I tried two-weaponing Mjolnir and Excalibur and it produced the message "Your Excalibur resists being held second to another weapon!" or :Your war hammer named Mjolnir resists being held second to another weapon!" This should be included.