Talk:Unlocking tool - Revision history

Netzhack: /* Mention and links to the artifacts missing */ new section

2020-04-04T11:43:09Z

Mention and links to the artifacts missing: new section

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	: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
	: Ah, good to know, thanks! I have added this to at least this page... --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		: Ah, good to know, thanks! I have added this to at least this page... --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

			== Mention and links to the artifacts missing ==

			I.e. to the Key of Whatever and the PYEC. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 11:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Mobileuser at 14:50, 22 September 2019

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	It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
	: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
			: Ah, good to know, thanks! I have added this to at least this page... --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Phol ende wodan: reply

2019-09-22T14:14:27Z

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	It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
			: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Mobileuser at 14:11, 22 September 2019

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	:Keys are just 'unidentified' skeleton keys, so I feel the answer would be yes. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)		:Keys are just 'unidentified' skeleton keys, so I feel the answer would be yes. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

			== Cursed unlocking tools ==

			It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: /* Skeleton Key = Key? */

2019-06-07T10:36:17Z

Skeleton Key = Key?

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	I'd like to get clarification if the "Key" that you encounter is the same item as the Skeleton Key said in the page, just renamed. [[User:NotAJumbleOfNumbers\|NotAJumbleOfNumbers]] ([[User talk:NotAJumbleOfNumbers\|talk]]) 02:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)		I'd like to get clarification if the "Key" that you encounter is the same item as the Skeleton Key said in the page, just renamed. [[User:NotAJumbleOfNumbers\|NotAJumbleOfNumbers]] ([[User talk:NotAJumbleOfNumbers\|talk]]) 02:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

			:Keys are just 'unidentified' skeleton keys, so I feel the answer would be yes. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

NotAJumbleOfNumbers: /* Skeleton Key = Key? */ new section

2019-06-07T02:05:02Z

Skeleton Key = Key?: new section

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	I've noticed that monsters can unlock doors as of 3.6, but I'm not sure from the code if they can do it with all unlocking tools (keys/lock picks/credit cards). Also not sure how to specify this in the item tables, as unlocking doesn't necessarily qualify as either "offensive" and "defensive" monster use. [[User:Funcrunch\|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch\|talk]]) 22:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)		I've noticed that monsters can unlock doors as of 3.6, but I'm not sure from the code if they can do it with all unlocking tools (keys/lock picks/credit cards). Also not sure how to specify this in the item tables, as unlocking doesn't necessarily qualify as either "offensive" and "defensive" monster use. [[User:Funcrunch\|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch\|talk]]) 22:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

			== Skeleton Key = Key? ==

			I'd like to get clarification if the "Key" that you encounter is the same item as the Skeleton Key said in the page, just renamed. [[User:NotAJumbleOfNumbers\|NotAJumbleOfNumbers]] ([[User talk:NotAJumbleOfNumbers\|talk]]) 02:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Funcrunch: /* Monsters unlocking doors in 3.6 */ new section

2016-01-23T22:36:02Z

Monsters unlocking doors in 3.6: new section

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	::::'''Reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'''		::::'''Reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'''
	::::What? What is your source for this? I haven't read HHGG in years, but I don't recall credit cards playing such a role. There's nothing in the source code to suggest the reference either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)		::::What? What is your source for this? I haven't read HHGG in years, but I don't recall credit cards playing such a role. There's nothing in the source code to suggest the reference either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

			== Monsters unlocking doors in 3.6 ==

			I've noticed that monsters can unlock doors as of 3.6, but I'm not sure from the code if they can do it with all unlocking tools (keys/lock picks/credit cards). Also not sure how to specify this in the item tables, as unlocking doesn't necessarily qualify as either "offensive" and "defensive" monster use. [[User:Funcrunch\|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch\|talk]]) 22:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Qazmlpok: /* Breakage */

2011-01-27T01:46:09Z

Breakage

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	:::Done. [[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 01:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)		:::Done. [[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 01:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
			::::'''Reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'''
			::::What? What is your source for this? I haven't read HHGG in years, but I don't recall credit cards playing such a role. There's nothing in the source code to suggest the reference either. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

AileTheAlien: /* Breakage */

2011-01-27T01:14:32Z

Breakage

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	A small table with percentages would be nice.		A small table with percentages would be nice.
	[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 00:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 00:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

	:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

	::Why don't you put that in the article? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		::Why don't you put that in the article? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

			:::Done. [[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 01:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Tjr: /* Breakage */ please put your answer in the article

2011-01-26T11:15:15Z

Breakage: please put your answer in the article

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	[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 00:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 00:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
	:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

			::Why don't you put that in the article? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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	It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		It says on the page: "All unlocking tools are generated uncursed unless found on a Bones level." However, in 3.6 I sometimes find a cursed key or lock pick sitting on a trap on the first few (non-Bones) levels. Is this perhaps new in 3.6? --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
	: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)		: Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 feature that occasionally makes fake bones piles by putting random objects on traps, and naturally the items in the pile get cursed. While I think it's a cool feature, it means that a lot of wiki pages are suddenly incorrect about tools always being uncursed. There have been cursed bag of holding gotchas from these, too. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 14:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
			: Ah, good to know, thanks! I have added this to at least this page... --[[User:Mobileuser\|Mobileuser]] ([[User talk:Mobileuser\|talk]]) 14:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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	A small table with percentages would be nice.		A small table with percentages would be nice.
	[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 00:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 00:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

	:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

	::Why don't you put that in the article? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		::Why don't you put that in the article? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

			:::Done. [[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 01:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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	:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)		:Tools never break in vanilla nethack, only SLASH'EM. Tools will never break if they are an artifact (the alignment key for your alignment works well) or are blessed. Credit cards have a 1-in-20 chance of breaking (1-in-30 for a tourist on a ''door''), keys have a 1-in-15 chance of breaking, picks have a 1-in-40 chance of breaking if you are a rogue, 1-in-30 chance for all other roles. Pretty sure that's all the chances. Ref is {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|416\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for boxes/chests, {{sourcecode\|lock.c\|518\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} for doors. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

			::Why don't you put that in the article? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)