https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AUpgrading_objectsTalk:Upgrading objects - Revision history2026-08-02T17:35:48ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.9https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=62600&oldid=prevTjr: ditto2011-01-06T00:06:11Z<p>ditto</p>
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</table>Tjrhttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=50010&oldid=prevSlandor: /* polypile -> vanish */2010-06-19T02:59:02Z<p><span class="autocomment">polypile -> vanish</span></p>
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</table>Slandorhttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=47002&oldid=prevIon frigate: /* Magic Marker */2010-03-02T15:09:26Z<p><span class="autocomment">Magic Marker</span></p>
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</table>Ion frigatehttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=46997&oldid=prevQazmlpok at 20:20, 1 March 20102010-03-01T20:20:46Z<p></p>
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</table>Qazmlpokhttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=46996&oldid=prevIon frigate at 18:46, 1 March 20102010-03-01T18:46:14Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I'm asking because of a Tourist I have on a public server (don't have SLASH'EM installed locally so I can't do wizmode tests myself). Charging is certainly not a problem, with the PYEC. Even with all the tourist quest shops and the black marker, I've only found one magic marker, but also a single crystal ball. I assume that if I dip the crystal ball, I'll get a 0:5 magic marker or something similar. Useless, but rechargable to 1:50. However, is it at all possible for me to take my current 1:4 magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, recharge it with the PYEC, and get a useful magic marker from this? The spoiler explicitly said that marker->ball would reduce charges to make it more like a crystal ball, and you're now saying that ball->marker doesn't add any charges, so unless upgrading removes the count of times recharged (I'm guessing it doesn't), then this idea just won't work. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 17:10, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I'm asking because of a Tourist I have on a public server (don't have SLASH'EM installed locally so I can't do wizmode tests myself). Charging is certainly not a problem, with the PYEC. Even with all the tourist quest shops and the black marker, I've only found one magic marker, but also a single crystal ball. I assume that if I dip the crystal ball, I'll get a 0:5 magic marker or something similar. Useless, but rechargable to 1:50. However, is it at all possible for me to take my current 1:4 magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, recharge it with the PYEC, and get a useful magic marker from this? The spoiler explicitly said that marker->ball would reduce charges to make it more like a crystal ball, and you're now saying that ball->marker doesn't add any charges, so unless upgrading removes the count of times recharged (I'm guessing it doesn't), then this idea just won't work. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 17:10, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::No, it wouldn't work like that, as the number of times it has been charged persists. However, you can take an empty magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, blessed-charge it up to six charges, and turn it back into a magic marker. Not too useful, as it requires two potions of gain level, and only gets you an (x:6) magic marker, only really enough to maybe write a scroll of magic mapping or gold detection. It does work though, trying it wizzmode. But no, dipping doesn't add any charges, and thus any magic marker you make from a crystal ball would need to be charged (although you'd still get the benefit of 51-56 ink with charging, for an unrecharged crystal ball) to have a useful number of charges. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 18:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::No, it wouldn't work like that, as the number of times it has been charged persists. However, you can take an empty magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, blessed-charge it up to six charges, and turn it back into a magic marker. Not too useful, as it requires two potions of gain level, and only gets you an (x:6) magic marker, only really enough to maybe write a scroll of magic mapping or gold detection. It does work though, trying it wizzmode. But no, dipping doesn't add any charges, and thus any magic marker you make from a crystal ball would need to be charged (although you'd still get the benefit of 51-56 ink with charging, for an unrecharged crystal ball) to have a useful number of charges<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. I had been thinking that you meant charging the crystal ball up to a useful number of charges (which would persist when changed (back) to a magic marker); I didn't realize that they cannot be charged past six or so, as I never use them myself</ins>. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 18:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
</table>Ion frigatehttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=46994&oldid=prevIon frigate: /* Magic Marker */2010-03-01T18:41:56Z<p><span class="autocomment">Magic Marker</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot of potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot of potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I'm asking because of a Tourist I have on a public server (don't have SLASH'EM installed locally so I can't do wizmode tests myself). Charging is certainly not a problem, with the PYEC. Even with all the tourist quest shops and the black marker, I've only found one magic marker, but also a single crystal ball. I assume that if I dip the crystal ball, I'll get a 0:5 magic marker or something similar. Useless, but rechargable to 1:50. However, is it at all possible for me to take my current 1:4 magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, recharge it with the PYEC, and get a useful magic marker from this? The spoiler explicitly said that marker->ball would reduce charges to make it more like a crystal ball, and you're now saying that ball->marker doesn't add any charges, so unless upgrading removes the count of times recharged (I'm guessing it doesn't), then this idea just won't work. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 17:10, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I'm asking because of a Tourist I have on a public server (don't have SLASH'EM installed locally so I can't do wizmode tests myself). Charging is certainly not a problem, with the PYEC. Even with all the tourist quest shops and the black marker, I've only found one magic marker, but also a single crystal ball. I assume that if I dip the crystal ball, I'll get a 0:5 magic marker or something similar. Useless, but rechargable to 1:50. However, is it at all possible for me to take my current 1:4 magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, recharge it with the PYEC, and get a useful magic marker from this? The spoiler explicitly said that marker->ball would reduce charges to make it more like a crystal ball, and you're now saying that ball->marker doesn't add any charges, so unless upgrading removes the count of times recharged (I'm guessing it doesn't), then this idea just won't work. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 17:10, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::No, it wouldn't work like that, as the number of times it has been charged persists. However, you can take an empty magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, blessed-charge it up to six charges, and turn it back into a magic marker. Not too useful, as it requires two potions of gain level, and only gets you an (x:6) magic marker, only really enough to maybe write a scroll of magic mapping or gold detection. It does work though, trying it wizzmode. But no, dipping doesn't add any charges, and thus any magic marker you make from a crystal ball would need to be charged (although you'd still get the benefit of 51-56 ink with charging, for an unrecharged crystal ball) to have a useful number of charges. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 18:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Ion frigatehttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=46977&oldid=prevQazmlpok at 17:10, 1 March 20102010-03-01T17:10:44Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How many charges will a magic marker created from a crystal ball have? Additionally, what happens if you take a (1:0) magic marker and upgrade it into a crystal ball, then again back to a magic marker? A crystal ball can be recharged any number of times, unlike a magic marker, so could that double-upgrade be used to get an 'endless' ink supply? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How many charges will a magic marker created from a crystal ball have? Additionally, what happens if you take a (1:0) magic marker and upgrade it into a crystal ball, then again back to a magic marker? A crystal ball can be recharged any number of times, unlike a magic marker, so could that double-upgrade be used to get an 'endless' ink supply? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot of potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot of potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::I'm asking because of a Tourist I have on a public server (don't have SLASH'EM installed locally so I can't do wizmode tests myself). Charging is certainly not a problem, with the PYEC. Even with all the tourist quest shops and the black marker, I've only found one magic marker, but also a single crystal ball. I assume that if I dip the crystal ball, I'll get a 0:5 magic marker or something similar. Useless, but rechargable to 1:50. However, is it at all possible for me to take my current 1:4 magic marker, turn it into a crystal ball, recharge it with the PYEC, and get a useful magic marker from this? The spoiler explicitly said that marker->ball would reduce charges to make it more like a crystal ball, and you're now saying that ball->marker doesn't add any charges, so unless upgrading removes the count of times recharged (I'm guessing it doesn't), then this idea just won't work. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 17:10, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Qazmlpokhttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=46975&oldid=prevIon frigate at 15:37, 1 March 20102010-03-01T15:37:52Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How many charges will a magic marker created from a crystal ball have? Additionally, what happens if you take a (1:0) magic marker and upgrade it into a crystal ball, then again back to a magic marker? A crystal ball can be recharged any number of times, unlike a magic marker, so could that double-upgrade be used to get an 'endless' ink supply? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How many charges will a magic marker created from a crystal ball have? Additionally, what happens if you take a (1:0) magic marker and upgrade it into a crystal ball, then again back to a magic marker? A crystal ball can be recharged any number of times, unlike a magic marker, so could that double-upgrade be used to get an 'endless' ink supply? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of </ins>potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
</table>Ion frigatehttps://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Upgrading_objects&diff=46974&oldid=prevIon frigate at 15:37, 1 March 20102010-03-01T15:37:33Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How many charges will a magic marker created from a crystal ball have? Additionally, what happens if you take a (1:0) magic marker and upgrade it into a crystal ball, then again back to a magic marker? A crystal ball can be recharged any number of times, unlike a magic marker, so could that double-upgrade be used to get an 'endless' ink supply? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>How many charges will a magic marker created from a crystal ball have? Additionally, what happens if you take a (1:0) magic marker and upgrade it into a crystal ball, then again back to a magic marker? A crystal ball can be recharged any number of times, unlike a magic marker, so could that double-upgrade be used to get an 'endless' ink supply? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Wizzmode testing suggests that it's the number of charges the crystal ball had or less; thus, since that is likely to be low (around 5), one would need a lot of scrolls of charging to get much use out of recharging a magic marker that way, not to mention a lot potions of gain level. In principle, it seems possible though, just impractical. Also, changing a magic marker into a crystal ball will get rid of most of the charges (it reduced it from 50 to 12 in my test). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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