Talk:Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM) - Revision history

Furey: SLASH'EM -> Source:SLASH'EM

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SLASH'EM -> Source:SLASH'EM

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	== (Starting) Luck? ==		== (Starting) Luck? ==
	Seems like when I (rarely) get an early wish as a vampiric wizard, I always fail to get my fooproofedness and blessedness. Tried a few times making a new vampy and quitting on turn one -- always "unlucky" on my attributes. Confirmed no moon phases or Friday the 13th. Anyone know what's up? Also my alignment record on the tests (quit on turn 1) show "you have sinned" for the -8 to -4 range. -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)		Seems like when I (rarely) get an early wish as a vampiric wizard, I always fail to get my fooproofedness and blessedness. Tried a few times making a new vampy and quitting on turn one -- always "unlucky" on my attributes. Confirmed no moon phases or Friday the 13th. Anyone know what's up? Also my alignment record on the tests (quit on turn 1) show "you have sinned" for the -8 to -4 range. -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	:Turns out they do. From [[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/u_init.c#line1390]], "vampires start off with gods not as pleased, luck penalty" - 5 less alignment than usual, and -1 to luck. So vampiric barbarians and rogues will start out with 5 alignment instead of 10, and wizards and other roles with -5 instead of 0, and both will initially have -1 luck (unless this is counterbalanced by the full moon). The luck penalty means you shouldn't wish or pray within the first 600 turns; the alignment penalty means you just need to kill a few monsters. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)		:Turns out they do. From [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/u_init.c#line1390]], "vampires start off with gods not as pleased, luck penalty" - 5 less alignment than usual, and -1 to luck. So vampiric barbarians and rogues will start out with 5 alignment instead of 10, and wizards and other roles with -5 instead of 0, and both will initially have -1 luck (unless this is counterbalanced by the full moon). The luck penalty means you shouldn't wish or pray within the first 600 turns; the alignment penalty means you just need to kill a few monsters. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

	== Cannibalism ==		== Cannibalism ==

Tomsod: /* Cannibalism */ vampire is not human

2017-01-28T18:28:49Z

Cannibalism: vampire is not human

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	Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)		Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
	:It would count as cannibalism, but vampires are entirely exempt from cannibalism, much like Cavemen. If you polymorph into another form you can still eat cat/human meat without penalty. On that note, non-vampires polymorphed into a vampire should not drink cat/dog/human blood, because that's still cannibalism. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)		:It would count as cannibalism, but vampires are entirely exempt from cannibalism, much like Cavemen. If you polymorph into another form you can still eat cat/human meat without penalty. On that note, non-vampires polymorphed into a vampire should not drink cat/dog/human blood, because that's still cannibalism. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
			:Actually, for a born vampire draining a human wouldn't be cannibalism either way because vampire is a separate race (MH_VAMPIRE vs MH_HUMAN). It may seem like nitpicking, but the actual importance of the fact is that sacrificing a human won't automatically convert an altar to chaotic if you're a vampire. You'll need a [[vampire bat]] corpse for that (all other vampires are corpseless), or a potion of blood. [[User:Tomsod\|Tomsod]] ([[User talk:Tomsod\|talk]]) 18:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

	== Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ? ==		== Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ? ==

Bulwersator: Bulwersator moved page Talk:Vampire (starting race) to Talk:Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM): UnNetHack

2013-01-18T09:00:10Z

Bulwersator moved page Talk:Vampire (starting race) to Talk:Vampire (starting race in SLASH'EM): UnNetHack

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Tjr at 09:12, 19 September 2011

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	:This is a combination of two things. First, drinking blood while too satiated will cause the message "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." and eventually lead to choking. Vampires have magical breathing so they never choke to death, but they do lose nutrition. I believe that just seeing the "hard time" message means you are made helpless for a few turns, but I'm not positive on that. Second, vampires will not bite a cockatrice unless they are not wielding a weapon. So what happened was you attacked the cockatrice without wielding a weapon, bit it, and choked on the blood causing helplessness as you turned to stone. The helplessness didn't actually affect anything though; biting a cockatrice is instadeath, not delayed instadeath.		:This is a combination of two things. First, drinking blood while too satiated will cause the message "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." and eventually lead to choking. Vampires have magical breathing so they never choke to death, but they do lose nutrition. I believe that just seeing the "hard time" message means you are made helpless for a few turns, but I'm not positive on that. Second, vampires will not bite a cockatrice unless they are not wielding a weapon. So what happened was you attacked the cockatrice without wielding a weapon, bit it, and choked on the blood causing helplessness as you turned to stone. The helplessness didn't actually affect anything though; biting a cockatrice is instadeath, not delayed instadeath.
	:Also, Sokoban had nothing to do with it. This situation would have happened anywhere. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)		:Also, Sokoban had nothing to do with it. This situation would have happened anywhere. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

			::Can't speak for SLASHEM, but in vanilla the "hard time getting it down" does not cause paralysis of any kind. Just the vomiting, which comes much later and gives another message. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

	===Is this a bug?===		===Is this a bug?===
	Vampires biting unsafe monsters if not wielding a weapon seems to be intention. I have no idea ''why'', but it does. There's an explicit check in the source code for disabling the bite attack; only disable it if wielding a weapon ({{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|2822\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}). There's also this item in the bug tracker involving biting a cockatrice where j_ali explicitly mentions that you will bite a cockatrice if you are not wielding a weapon (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1210420&group_id=9746&atid=109746). -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)		Vampires biting unsafe monsters if not wielding a weapon seems to be intention. I have no idea ''why'', but it does. There's an explicit check in the source code for disabling the bite attack; only disable it if wielding a weapon ({{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|2822\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}). There's also this item in the bug tracker involving biting a cockatrice where j_ali explicitly mentions that you will bite a cockatrice if you are not wielding a weapon (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1210420&group_id=9746&atid=109746). -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Qazmlpok at 13:56, 10 September 2011

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	:This is a combination of two things. First, drinking blood while too satiated will cause the message "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." and eventually lead to choking. Vampires have magical breathing so they never choke to death, but they do lose nutrition. I believe that just seeing the "hard time" message means you are made helpless for a few turns, but I'm not positive on that. Second, vampires will not bite a cockatrice unless they are not wielding a weapon. So what happened was you attacked the cockatrice without wielding a weapon, bit it, and choked on the blood causing helplessness as you turned to stone. The helplessness didn't actually affect anything though; biting a cockatrice is instadeath, not delayed instadeath.		:This is a combination of two things. First, drinking blood while too satiated will cause the message "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." and eventually lead to choking. Vampires have magical breathing so they never choke to death, but they do lose nutrition. I believe that just seeing the "hard time" message means you are made helpless for a few turns, but I'm not positive on that. Second, vampires will not bite a cockatrice unless they are not wielding a weapon. So what happened was you attacked the cockatrice without wielding a weapon, bit it, and choked on the blood causing helplessness as you turned to stone. The helplessness didn't actually affect anything though; biting a cockatrice is instadeath, not delayed instadeath.
	:Also, Sokoban had nothing to do with it. This situation would have happened anywhere. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)		:Also, Sokoban had nothing to do with it. This situation would have happened anywhere. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

			===Is this a bug?===
			Vampires biting unsafe monsters if not wielding a weapon seems to be intention. I have no idea ''why'', but it does. There's an explicit check in the source code for disabling the bite attack; only disable it if wielding a weapon ({{sourcecode\|uhitm.c\|2822\|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}). There's also this item in the bug tracker involving biting a cockatrice where j_ali explicitly mentions that you will bite a cockatrice if you are not wielding a weapon (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1210420&group_id=9746&atid=109746). -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Qazmlpok: /* Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ? */

2011-09-09T22:52:45Z

Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ?

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	Is this a bug? Or, are there special circumstances where a vampire can get stoned via a bite? Maybe Sokoban (which is filled with a lot of food) hungers one so much that a vampire finds it irresistible to bite anything and everything?		Is this a bug? Or, are there special circumstances where a vampire can get stoned via a bite? Maybe Sokoban (which is filled with a lot of food) hungers one so much that a vampire finds it irresistible to bite anything and everything?
			:This is a combination of two things. First, drinking blood while too satiated will cause the message "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." and eventually lead to choking. Vampires have magical breathing so they never choke to death, but they do lose nutrition. I believe that just seeing the "hard time" message means you are made helpless for a few turns, but I'm not positive on that. Second, vampires will not bite a cockatrice unless they are not wielding a weapon. So what happened was you attacked the cockatrice without wielding a weapon, bit it, and choked on the blood causing helplessness as you turned to stone. The helplessness didn't actually affect anything though; biting a cockatrice is instadeath, not delayed instadeath.
			:Also, Sokoban had nothing to do with it. This situation would have happened anywhere. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

User: /* Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ? */

2011-09-09T21:48:56Z

Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ?

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	While Satiated in Sokoban, and wearing gloves, a cockatrice stoned me. My (very promising) character attacked with his hands and then tried to attempt a (successful(?)) bite attack! I was not wielding a weapon.		While Satiated in Sokoban, and wearing gloves, a cockatrice stoned me. My (very promising) character attacked with his hands and then tried to attempt a (successful(?)) bite attack! I was not wielding a weapon.

	The death message indicates "...while helpless," but I was not helpless in any fashion. Does "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." have anything to that?		The death message indicates "...while helpless," but I was not helpless in any fashion. Does "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." have anything to do with that?

	Is this a bug? Or, are there special circumstances where a vampire can get stoned via bite? Maybe Sokoban (which is filled with a lot of food) hungers one so much that a vampire finds it irresistible to bite anything and everything?		Is this a bug? Or, are there special circumstances where a vampire can get stoned via a bite? Maybe Sokoban (which is filled with a lot of food) hungers one so much that a vampire finds it irresistible to bite anything and everything?

User: /* Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ? */ new section

2011-09-09T21:45:50Z

Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ?: new section

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	Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)		Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
	:It would count as cannibalism, but vampires are entirely exempt from cannibalism, much like Cavemen. If you polymorph into another form you can still eat cat/human meat without penalty. On that note, non-vampires polymorphed into a vampire should not drink cat/dog/human blood, because that's still cannibalism. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)		:It would count as cannibalism, but vampires are entirely exempt from cannibalism, much like Cavemen. If you polymorph into another form you can still eat cat/human meat without penalty. On that note, non-vampires polymorphed into a vampire should not drink cat/dog/human blood, because that's still cannibalism. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

			== Cockatrice actually stoned me . . . ? ==

			--[[User:User\|User]] 21:45, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
			While Satiated in Sokoban, and wearing gloves, a cockatrice stoned me. My (very promising) character attacked with his hands and then tried to attempt a (successful(?)) bite attack! I was not wielding a weapon.

			The death message indicates "...while helpless," but I was not helpless in any fashion. Does "You're having a hard time getting all of it down." have anything to that?

			Is this a bug? Or, are there special circumstances where a vampire can get stoned via bite? Maybe Sokoban (which is filled with a lot of food) hungers one so much that a vampire finds it irresistible to bite anything and everything?

Qazmlpok: /* Cannibalism */

2011-02-10T15:01:25Z

Cannibalism

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	== Cannibalism ==		== Cannibalism ==
	Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)		Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
			:It would count as cannibalism, but vampires are entirely exempt from cannibalism, much like Cavemen. If you polymorph into another form you can still eat cat/human meat without penalty. On that note, non-vampires polymorphed into a vampire should not drink cat/dog/human blood, because that's still cannibalism. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

AileTheAlien at 14:27, 10 February 2011

2011-02-10T14:27:42Z

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	Seems like when I (rarely) get an early wish as a vampiric wizard, I always fail to get my fooproofedness and blessedness. Tried a few times making a new vampy and quitting on turn one -- always "unlucky" on my attributes. Confirmed no moon phases or Friday the 13th. Anyone know what's up? Also my alignment record on the tests (quit on turn 1) show "you have sinned" for the -8 to -4 range. -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)		Seems like when I (rarely) get an early wish as a vampiric wizard, I always fail to get my fooproofedness and blessedness. Tried a few times making a new vampy and quitting on turn one -- always "unlucky" on my attributes. Confirmed no moon phases or Friday the 13th. Anyone know what's up? Also my alignment record on the tests (quit on turn 1) show "you have sinned" for the -8 to -4 range. -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 05:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	:Turns out they do. From [[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/u_init.c#line1390]], "vampires start off with gods not as pleased, luck penalty" - 5 less alignment than usual, and -1 to luck. So vampiric barbarians and rogues will start out with 5 alignment instead of 10, and wizards and other roles with -5 instead of 0, and both will initially have -1 luck (unless this is counterbalanced by the full moon). The luck penalty means you shouldn't wish or pray within the first 600 turns; the alignment penalty means you just need to kill a few monsters. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)		:Turns out they do. From [[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/u_init.c#line1390]], "vampires start off with gods not as pleased, luck penalty" - 5 less alignment than usual, and -1 to luck. So vampiric barbarians and rogues will start out with 5 alignment instead of 10, and wizards and other roles with -5 instead of 0, and both will initially have -1 luck (unless this is counterbalanced by the full moon). The luck penalty means you shouldn't wish or pray within the first 600 turns; the alignment penalty means you just need to kill a few monsters. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

			== Cannibalism ==
			Does drinking human blood count as cannibalism, or are vampire players exempt from this, like how they are exempt from the penalties of drinking dog/cat meat? -[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)