Paxed: rm use of single-use template

2011-01-30T16:29:12Z

rm use of single-use template

Tjr: rationale of recent changes; code for expected number of monsters

2010-07-07T11:37:57Z

rationale of recent changes; code for expected number of monsters

Ion frigate: Created page with '==Subjectivity== Perhaps rather than having the subjective template, maybe it would be a better idea to just say in what situations/ for what players breaking a wand of create mo…'

2010-07-07T09:06:25Z

Created page with '==Subjectivity== Perhaps rather than having the subjective template, maybe it would be a better idea to just say in what situations/ for what players breaking a wand of create mo…'

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==Subjectivity==
Perhaps rather than having the subjective template, maybe it would be a better idea to just say in what situations/ for what players breaking a wand of create monster is a good idea (eg magic resistant or high hp to survive the blast, strong or having Elbereth square or sanctuary, away from priest... a lot of these are already mentioned anyway). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 09:06, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

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 ===Polymorph===
 :The given confidence of getting a ''wand of create monster'' from polymorphing a wand object.
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 !Confidence
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	Perhaps rather than having the subjective template, maybe it would be a better idea to just say in what situations/ for what players breaking a wand of create monster is a good idea (eg magic resistant or high hp to survive the blast, strong or having Elbereth square or sanctuary, away from priest... a lot of these are already mentioned anyway). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:06, July 7, 2010 (UTC)		Perhaps rather than having the subjective template, maybe it would be a better idea to just say in what situations/ for what players breaking a wand of create monster is a good idea (eg magic resistant or high hp to survive the blast, strong or having Elbereth square or sanctuary, away from priest... a lot of these are already mentioned anyway). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 09:06, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: Agreed, done. Subjective templates are superfluous in any case because strategy is just that - subjective and situational. Gamers are encouraged to use their common sense while playing and before generating templates. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:37, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	==Breaking/wresting strategy code==
		+	The expected number of monsters was computed with the following MATHEMATICA code:
		+	<nowki>expectedMonstersPerZap = (22 + (2 + 9)/2)/23;
		+	expectedMonstersPerApply = 8;
		+	zapthenapply[initialCharges_, timesZap_] := If[timesZap <= initialCharges, expectedMonstersPerZaptimesZap + If[timesZap < initialCharges, expectedMonstersPerApply, 0], expectedMonstersPerZapinitialCharges];
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		+	(case wresting the last charge)wrestcount = perzap*Mean[Table[charges + 1, {charges, 5, 15}]] // N
		+
		+	(case of a wand with an unknown number of charges)Table[{"zap \
		+	times: ", timesZap, Mean[Table[ zapthenapply[initialCharges, timesZap], {initialCharges, 5, 15}]] // N }, {timesZap, 0, 15}]
		+
		+	(case zapping, then applying a wand with a known number of charges) Mean[Table[ zapthenapply[initialCharges, initialCharges - 1], {initialCharges, 5, 15}]] // N </nowiki>
		+
		+	===Polymorph===
		+	:The given confidence of getting a ''wand of create monster'' from polymorphing a wand object.
		+	:{\|{{prettytabledotted}}
		+	!Confidence
		+	\|4.5/95
		+	\|25%
		+	\|50%
		+	\|60%
		+	\|75%
		+	\|85%
		+	\|90%
		+	\|95%
		+	\|99%
		+	\|-
		+	!Polymorphs
		+	\|=1
		+	\|5.93
		+	\|14.28
		+	\|18.88
		+	\|28.57
		+	\|39.09
		+	\|47.45
		+	\|61.73
		+	\|94.9
		+	\|}
		+
		+	:Table does not include the chance of a wand shuddering, and so, the number of wands required to reach this level of confidence will almost surely be higher; the effective number of polymorphs is as per the table, however.
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		+	I have moved this table here because 1) the table is grossly wrong because it omits wands shuddering, and 2) I have never seen a real-game situation where polymorphing for wands of create monster would be worth it. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:37, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Wand of create monster - Revision history

Paxed: rm use of single-use template

Tjr: rationale of recent changes; code for expected number of monsters

Ion frigate: Created page with '==Subjectivity== Perhaps rather than having the subjective template, maybe it would be a better idea to just say in what situations/ for what players breaking a wand of create mo…'