Talk:Watchman - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom at 09:42, 30 March 2020

2020-03-30T09:42:38Z

Umbire the Phantom: /* Throwing gold at watchmen */

2020-03-30T09:42:12Z

‎Throwing gold at watchmen

Umbire the Phantom: /* Throwing gold at watchmen */

2020-03-30T09:41:00Z

‎Throwing gold at watchmen

Ulidtko: throwing gold at watchmen

2020-03-30T09:21:58Z

throwing gold at watchmen

EasterlyIrk: /* Recovering from angering guards */

2018-10-09T03:49:54Z

‎Recovering from angering guards

Mitlcl at 03:44, 9 October 2018

2018-10-09T03:44:53Z

Bcode: /* Corner case: freeing prisoners */ prisoners and one hostile watchman on the tourist quest

2012-05-01T21:34:29Z

‎Corner case: freeing prisoners: prisoners and one hostile watchman on the tourist quest

Tjr: Corner case: freeing prisoners==

2012-05-01T21:21:47Z

Corner case: freeing prisoners==

Ion frigate at 03:46, 20 November 2011

2011-11-20T03:46:22Z

Delbow: /* Growing up */ new section

2011-11-20T03:25:58Z

‎Growing up: new section

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	--[[User:Ulidtko\|Ulidtko]] ([[User talk:Ulidtko\|talk]]) 09:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Ulidtko\|Ulidtko]] ([[User talk:Ulidtko\|talk]]) 09:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

−	:It works the same as [[soldier]]s - they're all [[mercenaries]] so it's possible to bribe all of them (and the page covers that). At the same time, randomly throwing ~~still~~ at peacefuls will anger them, and of course there's always the chances of a bribe failing. The "beat it!" thing is just flavor text - if they say that line in the first place, it means the bribe worked. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)	+	:It works the same as [[soldier]]s - they're all [[mercenaries]] so it's possible to bribe all of them (and the page covers that). At the same time, randomly throwing stuff at peacefuls will anger them, and of course there's always the chances of a bribe failing. The "beat it!" thing is just flavor text - if they say that line in the first place, it means the bribe worked. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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−	:It works the same as [[soldier]]s - they're all [[mercenaries]] so it's possible to bribe all of them (and the page covers that). At the same time, randomly throwing still at peacefuls will anger them, and of course there's always the chances of a bribe failing. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)	+	:It works the same as [[soldier]]s - they're all [[mercenaries]] so it's possible to bribe all of them (and the page covers that). At the same time, randomly throwing still at peacefuls will anger them, and of course there's always the chances of a bribe failing. The "beat it!" thing is just flavor text - if they say that line in the first place, it means the bribe worked. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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		+	:It works the same as [[soldier]]s - they're all [[mercenaries]] so it's possible to bribe all of them (and the page covers that). At the same time, randomly throwing still at peacefuls will anger them, and of course there's always the chances of a bribe failing. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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	As the anger never abates, and this is consistent with all angering of basically anything in the game, I don't think that's necessary. --[[User:EasterlyIrk\|EasterlyIrk]] ([[User talk:EasterlyIrk\|talk]]) 03:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)		As the anger never abates, and this is consistent with all angering of basically anything in the game, I don't think that's necessary. --[[User:EasterlyIrk\|EasterlyIrk]] ([[User talk:EasterlyIrk\|talk]]) 03:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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		+	== Throwing gold at watchmen ==
		+	To safely unlock a door, I once threw a gold piece at an obnoxious watchman in Minetown. He caught it and teleported away — perfect! Though it didn't work like this every time.
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		+	The next time I attempted it, the teleport away didn't happen; next throw, I got ''scolded'' and angered one and another guard nearby:
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		+	<blockquote><poem>What do you want to throw? [$cqwBKO or ?*] 2
		+	Count: 2 $
		+	In what direction? h
		+	The watchman catches the gold. "That should do. Now beat it!"
		+	What do you want to throw? [$cqwBKO or ?*] 3
		+	Count: 3 $
		+	In what direction? h
		+	The watchman gets angry! "Halt! You're under arrest!" You see an angry guard approaching! The watchman catches the gold.
		+	"That's not enough, coward!" The watchman throws a spear! The spear misses the watchman. A spear misses you.
		+	</poem></blockquote>
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		+	Perhaps this should be added in the page... I'll let somebody more experienced in NetHack do this.
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		+	Lastly, does the ''"Now beat it!"'' part suggest to increase gold amount?.. How does this mechanic function overall?
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		+	--[[User:Ulidtko\|Ulidtko]] ([[User talk:Ulidtko\|talk]]) 09:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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	== Recovering from angering guards ==		== Recovering from angering guards ==
	It would be good to add something about how long it takes for guards' anger to abate - or if in the current version it doesn't abate at all.--[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 03:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)		It would be good to add something about how long it takes for guards' anger to abate - or if in the current version it doesn't abate at all.--[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 03:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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		+	As the anger never abates, and this is consistent with all angering of basically anything in the game, I don't think that's necessary. --[[User:EasterlyIrk\|EasterlyIrk]] ([[User talk:EasterlyIrk\|talk]]) 03:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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	You can anger the watchpeople if you free a prisoner on their level. Since mine town itself doesn't have any, you can take them into the wizard quest with the Eye of the Aethiopica and free the prisoner there. Perhaps the tourist quest has watchpeople and prisoners. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)		You can anger the watchpeople if you free a prisoner on their level. Since mine town itself doesn't have any, you can take them into the wizard quest with the Eye of the Aethiopica and free the prisoner there. Perhaps the tourist quest has watchpeople and prisoners. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
	:It seems the [[tourist quest]] goal level indeed has prisoners and one watchman... who is defined to be always hostile, but can be pacified using a scroll of taming. "The prisoner speaks: "I'm finally free!" You see an angry guard approaching!" --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] 21:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)		:It seems the [[tourist quest]] goal level indeed has prisoners and one watchman... who is defined to be always hostile, but can be pacified using a scroll of taming. "The prisoner speaks: "I'm finally free!" You see an angry guard approaching!" --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] 21:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== Recovering from angering guards ==
		+	It would be good to add something about how long it takes for guards' anger to abate - or if in the current version it doesn't abate at all.--[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 03:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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	==Corner case: freeing prisoners==		==Corner case: freeing prisoners==
	You can anger the watchpeople if you free a prisoner on their level. Since mine town itself doesn't have any, you can take them into the wizard quest with the Eye of the Aethiopica and free the prisoner there. Perhaps the tourist quest has watchpeople and prisoners. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)		You can anger the watchpeople if you free a prisoner on their level. Since mine town itself doesn't have any, you can take them into the wizard quest with the Eye of the Aethiopica and free the prisoner there. Perhaps the tourist quest has watchpeople and prisoners. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
		+	:It seems the [[tourist quest]] goal level indeed has prisoners and one watchman... who is defined to be always hostile, but can be pacified using a scroll of taming. "The prisoner speaks: "I'm finally free!" You see an angry guard approaching!" --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] 21:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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	Watchmen who start at level 5 will, if they achieve level 10, become watch captains. I don't know if this is notable enough to include in the main article; I'm not even sure if it's a useful thing to know at all -- you can't get a pet watchman (they can't be tamed), and it's unlikely one would kill enough critters on its own to gain five full levels without the player being one of the critters it kills... [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] 03:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)		Watchmen who start at level 5 will, if they achieve level 10, become watch captains. I don't know if this is notable enough to include in the main article; I'm not even sure if it's a useful thing to know at all -- you can't get a pet watchman (they can't be tamed), and it's unlikely one would kill enough critters on its own to gain five full levels without the player being one of the critters it kills... [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] 03:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
	:Yeah, I'd say it merits a sentence or two, since you occasionally see it with watchmen who were generated with a potion of gain level. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)		:Yeah, I'd say it merits a sentence or two, since you occasionally see it with watchmen who were generated with a potion of gain level. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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		+	==Corner case: freeing prisoners==
		+	You can anger the watchpeople if you free a prisoner on their level. Since mine town itself doesn't have any, you can take them into the wizard quest with the Eye of the Aethiopica and free the prisoner there. Perhaps the tourist quest has watchpeople and prisoners. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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	Watchmen who start at level 5 will, if they achieve level 10, become watch captains. I don't know if this is notable enough to include in the main article; I'm not even sure if it's a useful thing to know at all -- you can't get a pet watchman (they can't be tamed), and it's unlikely one would kill enough critters on its own to gain five full levels without the player being one of the critters it kills... [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] 03:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)		Watchmen who start at level 5 will, if they achieve level 10, become watch captains. I don't know if this is notable enough to include in the main article; I'm not even sure if it's a useful thing to know at all -- you can't get a pet watchman (they can't be tamed), and it's unlikely one would kill enough critters on its own to gain five full levels without the player being one of the critters it kills... [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] 03:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Yeah, I'd say it merits a sentence or two, since you occasionally see it with watchmen who were generated with a potion of gain level. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 03:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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	:Agreed, but I don't think the article should say not to sacrifice them, but rather not to anger them, and/or not to expect sacrifice to undo the alignment penalty. I've definitely sacrificed watchmen my pet killed, although they generally have to be in the temple to get them to the altar within 50 turns. But certainly I'd agree killing and sacrificing them is a losing proposition, especially given that they don't always leave corpses anyway. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:24, July 13, 2010 (UTC)		:Agreed, but I don't think the article should say not to sacrifice them, but rather not to anger them, and/or not to expect sacrifice to undo the alignment penalty. I've definitely sacrificed watchmen my pet killed, although they generally have to be in the temple to get them to the altar within 50 turns. But certainly I'd agree killing and sacrificing them is a losing proposition, especially given that they don't always leave corpses anyway. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:24, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
	::The easiest way to lure them to the altar is to anger them. -1 penalty isn't too much. You need non-magic water anyway, so dig down on a fountain. (Lock up the watch captain beforehand.) [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:13, July 13, 2010 (UTC)		::The easiest way to lure them to the altar is to anger them. -1 penalty isn't too much. You need non-magic water anyway, so dig down on a fountain. (Lock up the watch captain beforehand.) [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:13, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Growing up ==
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		+	Watchmen who start at level 5 will, if they achieve level 10, become watch captains. I don't know if this is notable enough to include in the main article; I'm not even sure if it's a useful thing to know at all -- you can't get a pet watchman (they can't be tamed), and it's unlikely one would kill enough critters on its own to gain five full levels without the player being one of the critters it kills... [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] 03:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)