Talk:Water demon - Revision history

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2013-07-25T05:04:25Z

‎"ElberethElbereth"

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2013-05-30T11:04:21Z

‎"ElberethElbereth"

Tjr: /* "ElberethElbereth" */

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‎"ElberethElbereth"

Tjr: /* "ElberethElbereth" */

2013-05-30T11:02:28Z

‎"ElberethElbereth"

Tjr: why double E

2013-05-30T11:01:58Z

why double E

Bulwersator: /* "ElberethElbereth" / I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave ElberethElbereth" would be far better, as at least for me "use Elbereth"

2013-05-25T08:45:05Z

‎"ElberethElbereth": * I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave ElberethElbereth" would be far better, as at least for me "use Elbereth"

Bcode: /* "ElberethElbereth" */ new section

2013-05-25T08:08:54Z

‎"ElberethElbereth": new section

FJH: Let's all eat cockatrice eggs!

2010-11-22T19:47:55Z

Let's all eat cockatrice eggs!

Ion frigate at 21:22, 20 April 2010

2010-04-20T21:22:16Z

Ion frigate at 17:10, 20 April 2010

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	* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.045% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level.		* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.045% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level.
	: In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)		: In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	::Somebody [http://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Water_demon&curid=1834&diff=86423&oldid=85245&rcid=35099 removed the entire section again], without any comment. However, lots of people die to water demon, and even experienced players often don't realize they can flee, lock away the demon, and avoid the risk of a chain summon. If there's no comment here, I'm going to restore it on 2013-07-30. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 05:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave [[Elbereth|ElberethElbereth]]" would be far better, as at least for me "use [[Elbereth]]" means "use strategy of engraving text Elbereth" and "use [[Elbereth|ElberethElbereth]]" means "use something called ElberethElbereth" what is a bit confusing [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 08:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
-* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.45% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level.
+* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.045% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level.
 : In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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 Thoughts? —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]</sup> 08:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave [[Elbereth|ElberethElbereth]]" would be far better, as at least for me "use [[Elbereth]]" means "use strategy of engraving text Elbereth" and "use [[Elbereth|ElberethElbereth]]" means "use something called ElberethElbereth" what is a bit confusing [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 08:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
-* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.45% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level. In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
+* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.45% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level.

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 Thoughts? —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]</sup> 08:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave [[Elbereth|ElberethElbereth]]" would be far better, as at least for me "use [[Elbereth]]" means "use strategy of engraving text Elbereth" and "use [[Elbereth|ElberethElbereth]]" means "use something called ElberethElbereth" what is a bit confusing [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 08:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
-:When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.45% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level. In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
+* When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.45% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level. In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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	* I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" would be far better, as at least for me "use [[Elbereth]]" means "use strategy of engraving text Elbereth" and "use [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" means "use something called ElberethElbereth" what is a bit confusing [[User:Bulwersator\|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator\|talk]]) 08:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)		* I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" would be far better, as at least for me "use [[Elbereth]]" means "use strategy of engraving text Elbereth" and "use [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" means "use something called ElberethElbereth" what is a bit confusing [[User:Bulwersator\|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator\|talk]]) 08:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
		+	:When I encounter a water demon in my own games, it's usually by a very vulnerable wizard. This is my course of action. 1) Step away and gain momentary safety from Elbereth. Since the demon is as fast as I am, it will always be in melee range while I retreat and engrave. My character is guaranteed to survive one turn of attacks (but very rarely two). So I take damage engraving ElberethElbereth, then (hopefully with success) a second single Elbereth if necessary. With this strategy, I have (1-0.7265)^3 = 2.45% chance that all the Elbereth fail, which means certain death on the second turn of attacks. The "classical" strategy is to engrave two single Elbereth, and die to the second turn of attacks if both are misspelt. This means a (1-0.7265)^2 = 7.48% chance of death. In summary, double Elbereth noticeably lowers the chance of death. 2) Lock away the demon with gold coins on Elbereth. I will drop a coin and add (single or double) Elbereth until stepping off the square will not smudge all of them. While the demon a few tiles away due to Elbereth, I walk to corridor entrances and other strategic spots. Those precious turns until the demon comes in melee range are enough to engrave a few ElberethElbereth. 3) After the demon is safely jailed in the fountain room, I can explore and leave the rest of the level. In conclusion, a water demon encounter is 97.95% survivable if you work with double-Elbereth. I feel the article should point this strategy out in some concise way. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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	Thoughts? —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 08:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)		Thoughts? —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 08:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
		+	* I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" would be far better, as at least for me "use [[Elbereth]]" means "use strategy of engraving text Elbereth" and "use [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" means "use something called ElberethElbereth" what is a bit confusing [[User:Bulwersator\|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator\|talk]]) 08:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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	:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 31.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)		:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 31.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
	::I think Anonymous was considering turning him to an ice statue (a variation of [[Stone\|stoning]]?). More likely, you're lucky a wand of cold doesn't turn it into an [[Ice devil]]. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 19:47, 22 November 2010 (UTC)		::I think Anonymous was considering turning him to an ice statue (a variation of [[Stone\|stoning]]?). More likely, you're lucky a wand of cold doesn't turn it into an [[Ice devil]]. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 19:47, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== "ElberethElbereth" ==
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		+	(Context: [{{fullurl:Water demon\|diff=prev&oldid=85186}} edit] by [[User:Bulwersator]], [{{fullurl:Water demon\|diff=next&oldid=85201}} edit] by [[User:Tjr]])
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		+	I think saying "use [[Elbereth\|ElberethElbereth]]" does make the text a bit strange, though it is good to point out you can engrave two Elbereths at once.
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		+	I'd prefer a less strange text over stating explicitly what to engrave directly like that, especially as [[Elbereth]] has speed notes ''and'' the text already states you can engrave two Elbereths per turn (it even specifies when not to do so). (Admittedly, the "Yes, …" would seem out of place without the Elbereth duplication before; that should probably be changed.)
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		+	Thoughts? —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 08:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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	Will zapping a wand of cold at a water demon kill him instantly? --Anonymous		Will zapping a wand of cold at a water demon kill him instantly? --Anonymous
	:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 31.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)		:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 31.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
		+	::I think Anonymous was considering turning him to an ice statue (a variation of [[Stone\|stoning]]?). More likely, you're lucky a wand of cold doesn't turn it into an [[Ice devil]]. --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 19:47, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

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	Will zapping a wand of cold at a water demon kill him instantly? --Anonymous		Will zapping a wand of cold at a water demon kill him instantly? --Anonymous
−	:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 30.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)	+	:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 31.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

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	Will zapping a wand of cold at a water demon kill him instantly? --Anonymous		Will zapping a wand of cold at a water demon kill him instantly? --Anonymous
		+	:No, not necessarily; a water demon is base level 8, so will have 8d8 hit points (average 36hp). A wand of cold will do 9d6 damage against them, as they are not cold resistant but fire resistant, which increases the damage done; that's an average of 30.5 damage. So, on average it will take two shots, although of course one beam can hit the demon twice if you bounce it off a wall. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 17:10, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Water demon - Revision history

Tjr: /* "ElberethElbereth" */

Tjr: /* "ElberethElbereth" */

Tjr: /* "ElberethElbereth" */

Tjr: /* "ElberethElbereth" */

Tjr: why double E

Bulwersator: /* "ElberethElbereth" */ * I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave ElberethElbereth" would be far better, as at least for me "use Elbereth"

Bcode: /* "ElberethElbereth" */ new section

FJH: Let's all eat cockatrice eggs!

Ion frigate at 21:22, 20 April 2010

Ion frigate at 17:10, 20 April 2010

Bulwersator: /* "ElberethElbereth" / I am not convinced that is it so good idea to mention here that it is possible to engrave multiple Elbereths, but phrasing it as "engrave ElberethElbereth" would be far better, as at least for me "use Elbereth"