Talk:Weaponless - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: Umbire the Phantom moved page Talk:Never hit with a wielded weapon to Talk:Weaponless: way more intuitive page title

2025-04-01T05:32:24Z

Umbire the Phantom moved page Talk:Never hit with a wielded weapon to Talk:Weaponless: way more intuitive page title

SophiaMakoto: /* Pounding and Weaponless "Hit" */ new section

2021-05-02T16:07:38Z

‎Pounding and Weaponless "Hit": new section

220.255.2.47: /* Careful versus Abstaining */

2012-01-23T15:45:03Z

‎Careful versus Abstaining

Tjr: /* Careful versus Abstaining */ sp

2012-01-11T02:35:38Z

‎Careful versus Abstaining: sp

Tjr: difficulty should stay comparable with local games

2012-01-11T02:35:17Z

difficulty should stay comparable with local games

Qazmlpok: /* Careful versus Abstaining */

2012-01-11T01:39:03Z

‎Careful versus Abstaining

Derekt75: /* Careful versus Abstaining */

2012-01-11T01:11:39Z

‎Careful versus Abstaining

220.255.1.21: /* Careful versus Abstaining */

2011-07-16T16:15:59Z

‎Careful versus Abstaining

Tjr at 21:41, 31 May 2011

2011-05-31T21:41:19Z

220.255.1.82 at 08:16, 31 May 2011

2011-05-31T08:16:35Z

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	:::::No, they won't: what they will do is make it less ''troublesome'', but that's a different thing altogether. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.47\|220.255.2.47]] 15:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)		:::::No, they won't: what they will do is make it less ''troublesome'', but that's a different thing altogether. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.47\|220.255.2.47]] 15:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
	::::Maybe a conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)		::::Maybe a conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== Pounding and Weaponless "Hit" ==
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		+	Is pounding with a polearm considered hitting for the sake of Weaponless conduct? I feel this should be mentioned in the article since pounding is a special case when dealing with certain monsters.——[[User:SophiaMakoto\|𝓢𝑜𝓅𝒽𝒾𝒶 𝓜𝒶𝓀𝑜𝓉𝑜]] ([[User talk:SophiaMakoto\|talk]]) 16:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)		::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

−	::::The level of difficulty should stay comparable with local DevTeam-compiled games, and any interface improvements would interfere with that goal. Maybe a conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)	+	::::The level of difficulty should stay comparable with local DevTeam-compiled games, and any interface improvements would interfere with that goal.
		+	:::::No, they won't: what they will do is make it less ''troublesome'', but that's a different thing altogether. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.47\|220.255.2.47]] 15:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe a conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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	::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)		::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

−	::::The level of difficulty should stay comparable with local DevTeam-compiled games, and any interface improvements would interfere with that goal. Maybe conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)	+	::::The level of difficulty should stay comparable with local DevTeam-compiled games, and any interface improvements would interfere with that goal. Maybe a conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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	::::No. The whole point of #conduct is that you are avoiding the kinds of actions that lead to violations.		::::No. The whole point of #conduct is that you are avoiding the kinds of actions that lead to violations.
	::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)		::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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		+	::::The level of difficulty should stay comparable with local DevTeam-compiled games, and any interface improvements would interfere with that goal. Maybe conduct prompt patch could be added that writes a note in the xlogfile when you activate it. In any case, [[interhack]], [[Talk:Pacifist#No_more_bump-kills:_Remapping_the_vi_movement_commands_with_screen\|key rebindings via Screen]], and [[cream pie]]s already give you most such functionality. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 02:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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	:: Really, if you only ever move with {{kbd\|m}}, you shouldn't ever hit anything without meaning to: if you still are hitting things, just play slower. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.21\|220.255.1.21]] 16:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)		:: Really, if you only ever move with {{kbd\|m}}, you shouldn't ever hit anything without meaning to: if you still are hitting things, just play slower. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.21\|220.255.1.21]] 16:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
	:: I'm surprised there aren't options in NAO so that the game will prompt you before breaking a conduct. Should the weaponless challenge be about remembering to unwield your pick-axe, or should it be about proving that you can ascend without hitting in melee? Currently, the big challenge is clearly the former. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 01:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)		:: I'm surprised there aren't options in NAO so that the game will prompt you before breaking a conduct. Should the weaponless challenge be about remembering to unwield your pick-axe, or should it be about proving that you can ascend without hitting in melee? Currently, the big challenge is clearly the former. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 01:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
		+	::: The same applies to pacifist. I find that I'm just as likely to accidentally kill a monster as die when playing a pacifist game. I'd love a confirmation like when moving into a peaceful, however the dev team is apparently against this.
		+	::::How about prompting the player before they break a #conduct?
		+	::::No. The whole point of #conduct is that you are avoiding the kinds of actions that lead to violations.
		+	::: Personally I think it's dumb, since it'd be trivial to avoid accidentally breaking pacifist if attack wasn't done by moving and much easier to tell if you're wielding a pickaxe if your character wasn't just an @. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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	:Humans consistently overestimate their own abilities. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)		:Humans consistently overestimate their own abilities. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
	:: Really, if you only ever move with {{kbd\|m}}, you shouldn't ever hit anything without meaning to: if you still are hitting things, just play slower. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.21\|220.255.1.21]] 16:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)		:: Really, if you only ever move with {{kbd\|m}}, you shouldn't ever hit anything without meaning to: if you still are hitting things, just play slower. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.21\|220.255.1.21]] 16:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	:: I'm surprised there aren't options in NAO so that the game will prompt you before breaking a conduct. Should the weaponless challenge be about remembering to unwield your pick-axe, or should it be about proving that you can ascend without hitting in melee? Currently, the big challenge is clearly the former. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 01:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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	:Humans consistently overestimate their own abilities. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)		:Humans consistently overestimate their own abilities. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
		+	:: Really, if you only ever move with {{kbd\|m}}, you shouldn't ever hit anything without meaning to: if you still are hitting things, just play slower. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.21\|220.255.1.21]] 16:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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	:Rogues can use daggers better than other roles. Wizards mostly use ranged attacks (spells) even in melee range. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)		:Rogues can use daggers better than other roles. Wizards mostly use ranged attacks (spells) even in melee range. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

		+	==Careful versus Abstaining==
	The page currently tells you not to use certain things, but the only danger is accidental: shouldn't you just be more careful instead? -[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.82\|220.255.1.82]] 08:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)		The page currently tells you not to use certain things, but the only danger is accidental: shouldn't you just be more careful instead? -[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.82\|220.255.1.82]] 08:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:Humans consistently overestimate their own abilities. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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	:Rogues can use daggers better than other roles. Wizards mostly use ranged attacks (spells) even in melee range. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)		:Rogues can use daggers better than other roles. Wizards mostly use ranged attacks (spells) even in melee range. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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		+	The page currently tells you not to use certain things, but the only danger is accidental: shouldn't you just be more careful instead? -[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.82\|220.255.1.82]] 08:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)