Talk:Wish - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2024-10-09T07:39:44Z

pothole

Thidwick: /* Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps */

2021-07-06T14:58:47Z

‎Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps

Darth l33t: /* Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps */

2021-06-21T20:05:23Z

‎Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps

Thidwick: I wish for a permanent light source

2021-06-20T23:48:25Z

I wish for a permanent light source

Ais523: you failed the random roll

2014-08-21T19:48:54Z

you failed the random roll

Davek: /* Something in your hands... */ new section

2014-08-20T04:36:09Z

‎Something in your hands...: new section

Bhaak: /* UnNethack5.1.0 unlucky fountain wish */

2014-02-22T13:01:04Z

‎UnNethack5.1.0 unlucky fountain wish

Zgyt4033: /* UnNethack5.1.0 unlucky fountain wish */ new section

2014-02-22T12:56:15Z

‎UnNethack5.1.0 unlucky fountain wish: new section

Tjr: /* Unclear part in wishing for artifact items */

2013-05-29T23:17:31Z

‎Unclear part in wishing for artifact items

Hurkyl: /* +2 vs +3 armor/weapon */

2013-05-06T06:22:50Z

‎+2 vs +3 armor/weapon

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 Is it ever worth wishing for a ring of polymorph or polymorph control, or an amulet of unchanging? Having all 3 is definitely fun. Maybe wishing for one is worth it if you already have 2, or two if you have one (wand). Or maybe all 3 from a wand? Thoughts?
-:Already thought of this. See [[Talk:Polymorph#Playing with permanent polymorph]]. Short answer: It's not worth a wish from a survivability standpoint. From fooling around in game (I mentioned a RGRN post I read about someone playing through almost the entire game polymorphed into a black dragon), certainly. Self-polymorph has huge advantages, especially if you polymorph into a medium sized monster, as you can hold all of your normal gear, potentially get additional attacks and lower base AC, plus useful intrinsics, including stuff you can't easily get like flying, magical breathing, level drain resistance, and immunity to [[Death]]'s touch. However the drawbacks make it ultimately undesirable (again, purely from a survivability standpoint). -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 22:48, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
+:Already thought of this. See [[Talk:Polymorph#Playing with permanent polymorph]]. Short answer: It's not worth a wish from a survivability standpoint. From fooling around in game (I mentioned a RGRN post I read about someone playing through almost the entire game polymorphed into a black dragon), certainly. Self-polymorph has huge advantages, especially if you polymorph into a medium sized monster, as you can hold all of your normal gear, potentially get additional attacks and lower base AC, plus useful intrinsics, including stuff you can't easily get like flying, magical breathing, level drain resistance, and immunity to [[Death (monster)|Death's]] touch. However the drawbacks make it ultimately undesirable (again, purely from a survivability standpoint). -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 22:48, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 == Intelligent artifact wishing strategy ==

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	This is my official request that [[magic lamp]]s be allowed for wishing. Magic lamps are the only unaligned permanent light source. They were originally banned to prevent infinite wishes, but that is no longer a problem: there's only an 80% chance of a wish from a magic lamp. In the worst abuse case, you would only end up with an extra handfull of oil lamps—hardly a game-breaker.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 23:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)		This is my official request that [[magic lamp]]s be allowed for wishing. Magic lamps are the only unaligned permanent light source. They were originally banned to prevent infinite wishes, but that is no longer a problem: there's only an 80% chance of a wish from a magic lamp. In the worst abuse case, you would only end up with an extra handfull of oil lamps—hardly a game-breaker.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 23:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
	:I'm not sure whether anyone on the DevTeam reads these wiki talk pages; you might be better off emailing them. In any case, one issue with wishing for a magic lamp is that it lets a player semi-reliably "bank" a random throne or fountain wish to be used later (e.g. after getting the Sokoban reward), with an 80% success rate. The only other ways to wish for wishes are through smoky potions (~6% chance of a wish, less if djinnis have been generated) or a wand of wishing (10% chance of having one wrestable wish). So allowing wishing for a magic lamp would be a significant balance change. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 20:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)		:I'm not sure whether anyone on the DevTeam reads these wiki talk pages; you might be better off emailing them. In any case, one issue with wishing for a magic lamp is that it lets a player semi-reliably "bank" a random throne or fountain wish to be used later (e.g. after getting the Sokoban reward), with an 80% success rate. The only other ways to wish for wishes are through smoky potions (~6% chance of a wish, less if djinnis have been generated) or a wand of wishing (10% chance of having one wrestable wish). So allowing wishing for a magic lamp would be a significant balance change. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 20:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
		+	::Thank you. Agreed, it would be a balance changer to some degree; it's arguable how much. I think the permanent light source would be the bigger boon than delaying ("banking") a wish. I wouldn't use any bank that charged me 20% interest; similarly, I wouldn't wish for a magic lamp unless I really wanted a permanent light source. --[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 14:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

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	== Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps ==		== Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps ==
	This is my official request that [[magic lamp]]s be allowed for wishing. Magic lamps are the only unaligned permanent light source. They were originally banned to prevent infinite wishes, but that is no longer a problem: there's only an 80% chance of a wish from a magic lamp. In the worst abuse case, you would only end up with an extra handfull of oil lamps—hardly a game-breaker.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 23:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)		This is my official request that [[magic lamp]]s be allowed for wishing. Magic lamps are the only unaligned permanent light source. They were originally banned to prevent infinite wishes, but that is no longer a problem: there's only an 80% chance of a wish from a magic lamp. In the worst abuse case, you would only end up with an extra handfull of oil lamps—hardly a game-breaker.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 23:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
		+	:I'm not sure whether anyone on the DevTeam reads these wiki talk pages; you might be better off emailing them. In any case, one issue with wishing for a magic lamp is that it lets a player semi-reliably "bank" a random throne or fountain wish to be used later (e.g. after getting the Sokoban reward), with an 80% success rate. The only other ways to wish for wishes are through smoky potions (~6% chance of a wish, less if djinnis have been generated) or a wand of wishing (10% chance of having one wrestable wish). So allowing wishing for a magic lamp would be a significant balance change. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 20:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 04:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)		--[[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 04:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
	: You failed the random roll for the creation of another artifact when too many artifacts already exist in the game. It ''could'' have succeeded (although it wouldn't have been so useful if it did). [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 19:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)		: You failed the random roll for the creation of another artifact when too many artifacts already exist in the game. It ''could'' have succeeded (although it wouldn't have been so useful if it did). [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 19:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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		+	== Rethinking the Ban on Magic Lamps ==
		+	This is my official request that [[magic lamp]]s be allowed for wishing. Magic lamps are the only unaligned permanent light source. They were originally banned to prevent infinite wishes, but that is no longer a problem: there's only an 80% chance of a wish from a magic lamp. In the worst abuse case, you would only end up with an extra handfull of oil lamps—hardly a game-breaker.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 23:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 04:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)		--[[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 04:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
		+	: You failed the random roll for the creation of another artifact when too many artifacts already exist in the game. It ''could'' have succeeded (although it wouldn't have been so useful if it did). [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 19:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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	: "Be warned that if your Luck is negative, any enchantment higher than +2 will automatically become negative."		: "Be warned that if your Luck is negative, any enchantment higher than +2 will automatically become negative."
	: --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak\|talk]]) 13:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)		: --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak\|talk]]) 13:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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		+	== Something in your hands... ==
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		+	<code>
		+	For a moment, you feel something in your hands, but it disappears! You write in the dust with a wand of wishing.
		+	</code>
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		+	Saw this when wishing for a "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica" as a lawful valkyrie. I thought this was possible. I guess not.
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		+	--[[User:Davek\|Davek]] ([[User talk:Davek\|talk]]) 04:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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	My vampire wiz got an early wish from fountain at about turn 360, with -1 luck. I wished "blessed greased +3 set of glowing dragon scales" and recieved cursed greased -3 set of glowing dragon scales. Why? --[[User:Zgyt4033\|Zgyt4033]] ([[User talk:Zgyt4033\|talk]]) 12:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)		My vampire wiz got an early wish from fountain at about turn 360, with -1 luck. I wished "blessed greased +3 set of glowing dragon scales" and recieved cursed greased -3 set of glowing dragon scales. Why? --[[User:Zgyt4033\|Zgyt4033]] ([[User talk:Zgyt4033\|talk]]) 12:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
		+	: "If your Luck is negative, explicitly wishing for a "blessed" or "uncursed" item will yield a cursed one instead."
		+	: "Be warned that if your Luck is negative, any enchantment higher than +2 will automatically become negative."
		+	: --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] ([[User talk:Bhaak\|talk]]) 13:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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	:Depends, IMO. If you're going for polyselfless conduct, obviously you'd just want a cloak of MR. Even if you're not, you still need a source of polymorph (maybe the wand but probably the ring) to make the ring of polymorph control compare at all favorably to a cloak of MR: without it, you get protection against polytraps but not against death rays. So personally, I'd say the cloak is basically always preferable unless you happen to have already identified a ring of polymorph. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 14:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)		:Depends, IMO. If you're going for polyselfless conduct, obviously you'd just want a cloak of MR. Even if you're not, you still need a source of polymorph (maybe the wand but probably the ring) to make the ring of polymorph control compare at all favorably to a cloak of MR: without it, you get protection against polytraps but not against death rays. So personally, I'd say the cloak is basically always preferable unless you happen to have already identified a ring of polymorph. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 14:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
	:It's just rather sad to take off the robe when playing as a monk and watch all of the 0% failures turn to 100% failures. My last game as a monk, I found =oTC, =oPC, and a CoMR from a bones pile reasonably early. It may have been a mistake, but I chose to wear the rings for the early game rather than take off my robe. I know I could wear my Cloak most of the time and only put on the robe when I needed to cast, but that's a nuisance. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 01:45, 13 January 2012 (UTC)		:It's just rather sad to take off the robe when playing as a monk and watch all of the 0% failures turn to 100% failures. My last game as a monk, I found =oTC, =oPC, and a CoMR from a bones pile reasonably early. It may have been a mistake, but I chose to wear the rings for the early game rather than take off my robe. I know I could wear my Cloak most of the time and only put on the robe when I needed to cast, but that's a nuisance. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 01:45, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== UnNethack5.1.0 unlucky fountain wish ==
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		+	My vampire wiz got an early wish from fountain at about turn 360, with -1 luck. I wished "blessed greased +3 set of glowing dragon scales" and recieved cursed greased -3 set of glowing dragon scales. Why? --[[User:Zgyt4033\|Zgyt4033]] ([[User talk:Zgyt4033\|talk]]) 12:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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 My comment concerns the sentence "''If you wish for an artifact, your chance of receiving it depends on the number of artifacts already in existence''". When do artifacts appear in the game? E.g. is the [[quest artifact]] generated immediately in the beginning of the game, or is it generated when entering the level containing the quest artifact, or only once bad guy holding it is killed and the quest artifact is dropped on the floor?[[Special:Contributions/82.130.40.42|82.130.40.42]] 05:19, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 :Artifacts are generated when items are.  Most of a level's items are generated when you first enter a level, although artifacts can also be created in the inventory of a randomly-generated monster, or as a death drop from a killed monster.  So your quest artifact doesn't "count" until you first enter the quest goal level, even though conceptually it existed since before the game started. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 06:16, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 == self polymorph ==

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 I thought this would be too much clutter for the main page, but I thought some folks might be interested.  Feel free to add some of this info to the article itself if you think it's warranted.[[User:Derekt75|Derekt75]] 00:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 == =oPC for a chaotic monk's early wish? ==