Talk:Yeenoghu - Revision history

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Actual-nh: /* "Weapon 2D8 Confusion"? */ Rest of article talks about a gaze?

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‎"Weapon 2D8 Confusion"?: Rest of article talks about a gaze?

Qazmlpok: /* "Weapon 2D8 Confusion"? */

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‎"Weapon 2D8 Confusion"?

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Bcode: /* "always starts as hostile" */ updated Template:Attributes

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‎"always starts as hostile": updated Template:Attributes

孟謙: /* "always starts as hostile" */

2013-04-26T14:13:05Z

‎"always starts as hostile"

Bcode: reminder about signing, note about minor talk page edits. "generated" really means the normal mechanism

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 == Magic Resistance? ==
 I'm trying to tame Yeenoghu in SLASH'EM by abusing the genetic engineer polymorph. I've used this several times so I know the trick works... but I can't polymorph Yeenoghu. When I try I just get the standard sparkle, as if I tried it against a gray dragon. Same when I try magic missile, although I don't remember ever having this problem when playing as a wizard in Vanilla. The article doesn't state that he has magic resistance and I can't find any indication that he's magic resistance in the source, but I also can't find anything to set magic resistance for a gray dragon so magic resistance must just be set somewhere other than monst.c. Is Yeenoghu magic resistant? And for future reference, where is that determined in the source code? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 02:56, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:Turns out he is, peculiarly.  See [[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/mondata.c#line86]]; it looks like gray dragons, Yeenoghu, the Oracle and Angels are all magic-resistant.  Or at least, they resist magic missiles (which makes sense, since they can all attack with them), and the source code checks for that in zap.c for the wand of polymorph.  This would seem to be true in vanilla too, by the way. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 12:55, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
+:Turns out he is, peculiarly.  See [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/mondata.c#line86]]; it looks like gray dragons, Yeenoghu, the Oracle and Angels are all magic-resistant.  Or at least, they resist magic missiles (which makes sense, since they can all attack with them), and the source code checks for that in zap.c for the wand of polymorph.  This would seem to be true in vanilla too, by the way. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 12:55, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 ::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon.  Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance.  This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM.  I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 :::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

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 I first met [[Yeenoghu]] at dungeon level 11 or something. He had 3 other demon minions with him (barbed devils). How the hell did this happen? --[[User:Azzkikr|Azzkikr]] 09:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
-: Someone might have left Yeenoghu on the bones level, and because Yeenoghu is a [[demon]], it can have summoned other demons. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 15:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
+: Someone might have left Yeenoghu on the bones level, and because Yeenoghu is a [[M2_DEMON|demon]], it can have summoned other demons. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 15:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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 :::I'm the original poster of this topic (finally made an account!) and I just had a brain-fart: make it ''possible'' to manually add attributes '''outside''' of the tagging system! That way, this unique aberration as well as ANY others could be properly annotated for any monster or item. The Wiki style guide could be amended to make these manual edits conform to an accepted standard. Thoughts?{{unsigned|孟謙}}
-::::The list of manually curated exceptions will be very long: angels/elementals/[[demon]]s as divine minions or from same-race sacrifice; 269 eligible [[polytrap]] results; spellcasters and Rodney [[Summon_nasties#Nasties|summon hostile nasties]], many [[Oviparous|egg-hatching]] species, and gazillions of other code paths listed in the [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/extinctionist-faq.html#t2.1 extinctionism spoiler]. IMHO we should find some general solution. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 20:31, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
+::::The list of manually curated exceptions will be very long: angels/elementals/[[Demon (monster class)|demons]] as divine minions or from same-race sacrifice; 269 eligible [[polytrap]] results; spellcasters and Rodney [[Summon_nasties#Nasties|summon hostile nasties]], many [[Oviparous|egg-hatching]] species, and gazillions of other code paths listed in the [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/extinctionist-faq.html#t2.1 extinctionism spoiler]. IMHO we should find some general solution. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 20:31, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 :::::(Please remember to sign your edits to talk pages. Also, if you add something new to a talk page, you might want to avoid marking it as a minor edit.)

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	Shouldn't this be "Gaze Confusion"? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 02:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		Shouldn't this be "Gaze Confusion"? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 02:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
	:The attack is AT_WEAP in the source code. It's a melee attack using the equipped weapon that also causes confusion. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 00:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)		:The attack is AT_WEAP in the source code. It's a melee attack using the equipped weapon that also causes confusion. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 00:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
		+	::Weird; the rest of the article talks about a gaze. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 00:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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	Shouldn't this be "Gaze Confusion"? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 02:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		Shouldn't this be "Gaze Confusion"? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 02:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
		+	:The attack is AT_WEAP in the source code. It's a melee attack using the equipped weapon that also causes confusion. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 00:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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	::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon. Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance. This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM. I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)		::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon. Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance. This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM. I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)		:::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== "Weapon 2D8 Confusion"? ==
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		+	Shouldn't this be "Gaze Confusion"? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 02:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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	::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon. Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance. This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM. I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)		::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon. Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance. This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM. I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)		:::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
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	::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon. Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance. This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM. I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)		::Actually it's anything with a magic missile attack, a random breath weapon, a magic missile breath weapon, or a baby gray dragon. Gotta love the way that nethack codes magic resistance. This also explains why crystal and, evidently, diamond golems would be magic resistant in SLASH'EM. I have no idea if that was an intentional side effect or not. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 12:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
	:::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)		:::Ah, so that's how it works. Man, they do some quirky stuff in the source code sometimes. Granting fire, shock, etc resistance when eating a corpse is determined by a MR_FLAG, but teleporitis/Tcontrol is granted automatically if the monster possesses it. Oh well, guess I can't fulfill my goal of ascending with all 8 demon princes as pets. I guess I'll have to settle with stoning him and ascending with the statue. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
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	::::::Thanks for the Wiki editing tips, bcode--I'm still new here and I appreciate your patience and guidance. I've been thinking about your "''normally'' generated" idea and I think that's probably the simplest way to deal with the myriad of exceptions that [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] mentions. A player will just have to interpret it as yet another example of NetHack's "infinite diversity" (to quote a Vulcan proverb.)--[[User:孟謙\|孟謙]] ([[User talk:孟謙\|talk]]) 14:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)		::::::Thanks for the Wiki editing tips, bcode--I'm still new here and I appreciate your patience and guidance. I've been thinking about your "''normally'' generated" idea and I think that's probably the simplest way to deal with the myriad of exceptions that [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] mentions. A player will just have to interpret it as yet another example of NetHack's "infinite diversity" (to quote a Vulcan proverb.)--[[User:孟謙\|孟謙]] ([[User talk:孟謙\|talk]]) 14:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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		+	:::::::I've [{{canonicalurl:Template:Attributes\|diff=84372&oldid=81788}} updated] [[Template:Attributes]] to use "is normally generated". —[[User:bcode\|bcode]] <sup>[[User talk:bcode\|talk]] \| [[Special:EmailUser/Bcode\|mail]]</sup> 21:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

	==Yennoghu bones story==		==Yennoghu bones story==

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 :::::These are not really exceptions; it's just that there's no universally understood term for the [[normal mechanism]] of monster generation – it's a bit unfortunate that way. That's why I suggested "''normally'' generated" above. —[[User:bcode|bcode]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:bcode|talk]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:EmailUser/Bcode|mail]]</sup> 20:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 ==Yennoghu bones story==